--- Log opened Sat Jan 15 00:00:47 2005
00:00 < mnemoc_> why /etc/mtab is not a symlink to /proc/mounts?
00:03 < rxr> IIRC this was deprecated long ago
00:03 < rxr> because additional information are kept in /etc/mtab - that are not in /proc/mounts
00:03 < rxr> mount options and such
00:03 < mnemoc_> ic
00:07 < rxr> why did you ask ?
00:07 < mnemoc_> curiosity
00:07 < mnemoc_> i was used to that until i got on rock
00:08 < rxr> we had this too
00:08 < rxr> bad changed it - don't remeber - 2 years ? ago
00:08 < mnemoc_> iirc 1.6 has a file
00:09 < mnemoc_> i doin't remember 1.4 :P
00:10 < rxr> CDfs 
00:10 < rxr>  a file system for Linux systems that `exports' all tracks and boot images on a CD as normal files
00:12 < mnemoc_> using the userspace filesystem thing?
00:13 < rxr> no idea - only saw it between the lines on a overview site 
00:13 < rxr> might be older
00:13 < rxr> I guess kernel patch
00:16 < rxr> I just triyed to fined out whether it was xfs or jfs someone recommended for flash devices ..
00:16 < rxr> but failed ...
00:16 < rxr> mnemoc_: jsaw: does any of you remeber s.th. in this region ?
00:18 < rxr> what is the filesystem utilisation of some windows 2000 ?
00:18 < rxr> the 98 is not running that reliable ...
00:20 < rxr> wiil 2000 run on a 96MB Intel P 233-mmx with 4MB (or so) s3 virge ?
00:20 < rxr> damn - is that all complicated
00:20 < rxr> I only want to trace one driver - damn ...
00:20 < mnemoc_> i don't remember problems of xfs
00:21 < mnemoc_> i forgot rock-src :\
00:22 < rxr> rock ?
00:22 < mnemoc_> the package ;)
00:22 < mnemoc_> now i have a running base
00:22 < rxr> do we still have it ...
00:22 < mnemoc_> without shadow and vi o_O
00:22 < mnemoc_> and nothing to build
00:23 < mnemoc_> you love to remove stuff :|
00:23 < rxr> what was removed ?
00:23 < mnemoc_> linux-src! :p
00:23 < mnemoc_> and you jsut said rock-src
00:24 < rxr> what is your problem with linux source?
00:24 < rxr> we also do not have xorg-src, nvi-src, glibc-src, and so on ...
00:24 < mnemoc_> i do rebuild my kernels
00:24 < rxr> tar xf download/mirror/l/linux-bla
00:24 < mnemoc_> and patches?
00:25 < rxr> they are in /usr/src ...
00:25 < mnemoc_> and buildtime hacks?
00:25 < rxr> or apply them from the packafe ...
00:25 < rxr> you also do not get the buildtime hacks when you cd /usr/src/linux-src ...
00:25 < mnemoc_> there are sed-based patches too
00:25 < rxr> sed based patches ?
00:25 < mnemoc_> yes i did
00:26 < rxr> wasting that much space in a system or on the CD is just not reasonable ...
00:26 < mnemoc_> O it
00:26 < rxr> and the postlinuc thing scales really cool - so less problem - 3rd party stuff for all kernel and so on ...
00:26 < rxr> all the stuff when you rebuild your kernel ...
00:26 < mnemoc_> postlinux don't let you make menuconfig
00:26 < rxr> btw. I would not consider supporting that exactly because of the 3rd party stuff - you get all cleanly compiled
00:26 < rxr> just throw your config into the Config ...
00:27 < mnemoc_> how do i get that .config to inject on Config?
00:27 < rxr> jsaw already once mentioned that we could add fireing up menuconfig for in-system builds ...
00:27 < mnemoc_> o_O
00:27 < rxr> deflate the kernel first - or add an option to run menuconfig for in-system builds ...
00:28 < rxr> think forward ... ;-) I really like the menuconfig in package build idea
00:28 < mnemoc_> i like what i did for uclibc and busybox
00:29 < mnemoc_> pkgsel-like config
00:29 < mnemoc_> they use the same schema that kernel
00:30 < rxr> verfluchter dreck ...
00:30 < rxr> grummel
00:30 < rxr> where is my tcp/ip binding for my 3com NIC gone ...
00:30 < mnemoc_> i don't like the idea o mixing Config with build_package
00:30 < rxr> f*cking windows ...
00:30 < mnemoc_> :D
00:31 < rxr> I need to reboot to activate DHCP ?
00:32 < mnemoc_> i think so
00:33 < rxr> well - one evening windows and I feel so remember on the frustrating times and why I rm -rf'ed it around 1996/7
00:33 < mnemoc_> xp is quite usable
00:34 < mnemoc_> all the previous where highly frustrating
00:34 < mnemoc_> were*
00:34 < rxr> will xp run on the 233Mhz P w/ 96MB ram adn 1Gb disk ?
00:34 < rxr> and I even upgraded the ram from 32MB -> 96 since w98 was a bit slugish ...
00:34 < mnemoc_> :p
00:36 < rxr> is it normal the the w98 IE does segfault - well on mordern web sites ?
00:37 < mnemoc_> how was.... 
00:37 < mnemoc_> ...
00:37 < mnemoc_> how do i tell agetty to not request login?
00:37 < rxr> oehm
00:38 < rxr> maybe -l true ?
00:38 < rxr> no idea
00:40 < mnemoc_> let' see
00:43 < rxr> finally!
00:43 < rxr> non 640x480x15 graphic on this box ...
00:43 < mnemoc_> :D
00:43 < mnemoc_> 3rd. usb-storage
00:43 < rxr> in this itme I could have implemented the missing svideo out od the x.org radeon driver or so ...
00:43 < mnemoc_> :)
00:44 < rxr> hm
00:44 < rxr> why is my desk full with CD ...
00:44 < mnemoc_> *g*
00:45 < rxr> damn cd's .. 
00:45 < rxr> I thought we life in a networked world ...
00:46 < mnemoc_> -l true didn't worked
00:47 < rxr> what exactly do you need ?
00:47 < mnemoc_> i don't have passwd on that box
00:47 < mnemoc_> cross-base
00:47 < rxr> and you are already booted up ?
00:47 < mnemoc_> it boots :)
00:47 < mnemoc_> as a normal T2 :p
00:48 < mnemoc_> with less init errors than ubuntu
00:48 < rxr> *lol*
00:48 < mnemoc_> ^^
00:48 < mnemoc_> but i can't auth
00:48 < rxr> and you want to alter the startup from outside to not need some pass ?
00:48 < rxr> or just boot with init=/bin/bash and set it
00:48 < rxr> or copy your old shadow into it ...
00:48 < mnemoc_> does that work?
00:49 < rxr> hey!the scanner driver installed without error - congrts ...
00:49 < mnemoc_> nothing host related on current versions of shadow?
00:49 < rxr> init=/bin&/bash works
00:49 < mnemoc_> i know that works
00:49 < mnemoc_> but PATH and PS1 less
00:49 < rxr> implanting shadow works, too .., but only if your login stuff has all features - e.g. not when it as told to use PAM and PAM is missing ..
00:49 < mnemoc_> no vc/* shells etc
00:50 < rxr> I mean just to enter in it and config the password and such
00:50 < mnemoc_> i'll try
00:50 < mnemoc_> i don't have vi 
00:51 < mnemoc_> t2-src copied...
00:51 < rxr> how I hate the "please insert the previous CD" bluescreen ..
00:52 < mnemoc_> :)
00:52 < rxr> eeiiiiiiiiiiii
00:52  * rxr kicks the box
00:52 < mnemoc_> we don't have it because it's patented too
00:52 < rxr> yeah - that is a patent M$ can have ...
00:52 < rxr> hello - box - please respong - hello - give me the CD - .. - arrrrrrrrrrrrgh
00:53 < mnemoc_> tipical
00:53 < rxr> I want a bill at home - I could kick him a few times per day for his crap ..
00:54 < mnemoc_> i soft little bill to put over your monitor :p
00:54 < rxr> nope - that place is already taken my some lovely penguin ...
00:55 < mnemoc_> a penguin with an apple is not a real penguin :p
00:55 < rxr> what =
00:55 < rxr> ? even
00:55 < mnemoc_> penguin don't eat apples :)
00:55 < rxr> what apple ?
00:57 < mnemoc_> ppc.... anyway
00:57 < mnemoc_> i'll go home now
00:57 < mnemoc_> my parents in law have their aniversary today
00:58 < rxr> cu mnemoc_ 
00:58 < rxr> ppc rulez!
00:58 < rxr> Is a pengui on a sun workstation placed better ... ? ...
00:58 < mnemoc_> :)
00:58 < mnemoc_> yep
00:58 < mnemoc_> cu
00:58 < rxr> cu
01:02 < rxr> hm - what the hell
01:02 < rxr> I now install photosuite se s.th. that was shipped with the scanner
01:03 < rxr> PotoSuite 4 needs Internet Explorer version 5.00.2314.10003 or greater to run, ... bla blaq ...
01:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: I just added ncurses and nvi to stage 1 - so we have it earlier
01:09 < rxr> !> Created file outside basedir: /usr/bin/nvi
01:09 < rxr> # file /usr/bin/nvi 
01:09 < rxr> /usr/bin/nvi: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
01:24 < rxr> OpenOffice.org 1.1.4 (Stable)
01:24 < rxr>  p7zip 4.14 
01:28 < mnemoc_> re
01:29 < mnemoc_> CIA-9: ?
01:31 < rxr> no updates
01:31 < rxr> just notes
01:31 < rxr> but in some mintues you get a commit
01:31 < mnemoc_> we what do you think of rock's X for stage 1?
01:31 < mnemoc_> s/^we //
01:32 < rxr> what is about it?
01:32 < rxr> I have not looked into it ...
01:32 < mnemoc_> X means 1 for cross-builds
01:32 < rxr> aha
01:32 < rxr> quite unintuitive ..
01:32 < mnemoc_> or it was an '?'?
01:32 < rxr> what about just migrating more stuff into the early stages ...
01:33 < rxr> migrating to the cross compile all style ?
01:33 < mnemoc_> bunch everything in stage  1? uhm
01:33 < rxr> well - in theory we do not need to many stages
01:34 < rxr> build the toolchain
01:34 < rxr> and bulid the rest ...
01:34 < mnemoc_> i like the split as ordering
01:34 < rxr> but it just make the order very complicated
01:34 < rxr> this is also one reason why the .cache base reordering fails so oft because it is split ofer so many different stages
01:35 < rxr> in theory we have a linear priority
01:35 < mnemoc_> and moving chroot barrier one stage ahead?
01:35 < mnemoc_> and naming stages
01:35 < rxr> well - that would require quite a lot changes here and there and would cause many many bugs to be spotted weeks if not months after that change
01:35 < rxr> yes the stages needs names
01:36 < mnemoc_> if you name them not everything will go to 5
01:36 < rxr> let's start migrating more to be cross build and when we have more and c++ to build cross name the stages in 2.2 or so ...
01:36 < mnemoc_> X may go to 7 and ooo to 
01:36 < mnemoc_> 8
01:36 < rxr> di do not understand your example
01:37 < mnemoc_> i see stages like sysvinit levels
01:37 < mnemoc_> after stage n is finish this goal is acomplished
01:38 < rxr> where do you get this numbers from - the named stages would be :
01:38 < rxr> native-toolchain
01:38 < rxr> cross-toolchain
01:38 < rxr> base
01:38 < rxr> normal
01:38 < rxr> rebuild
01:38 < rxr> or so ...
01:38 < mnemoc_> ooo on normal?
01:38 < rxr> in such a stage the stuff is (in my dream) automatically ordered due to dependency
01:38 < rxr> yep
01:38 < mnemoc_> that doesn't fit in my OS view
01:38 < rxr> what
01:38 < rxr> this photosuit installs some javavm ?!"?!?!?
01:39 < rxr> hey - shitty crap
01:39 < mnemoc_> :D
01:39 < rxr> I just installed IE 6 for you ..
01:39 < rxr> why the h*ll  do you now install some VM ?!??!?!
01:39 < rxr> you are a cheap imaging app - don't do this ...
01:39 < rxr> damn ...
01:39 < mnemoc_> as you said, 1 is cross-toolchain, nvi is not part of cross-toolchain
01:39 < rxr> my fresh windows install gets uglified
01:39 < mnemoc_> it's part of base
01:39 < rxr> ehrm
01:39 < mnemoc_> a base which can be cross-compiled
01:40 < mnemoc_> svn is not part of base
01:40 < rxr> when we really name them they get of course not 1:1 assinged from the current numbners
01:40 < rxr> e.g. currently we do not distinguish between native and cross toolchain
01:40 < mnemoc_> use the numers for easier handling
01:40 < rxr> we only build one - as discussed last night this is imperfect
01:40 < rxr> hm?
01:41 < rxr> no - no numbers
01:41 < rxr> I thought we want names ?
01:41 < mnemoc_> bad in mind they have a name
01:41 < rxr> mp3 playbac?
01:41 < rxr> hello 
01:41 < rxr> what the hell is this photosuit thing ...
01:41 < mnemoc_> for x in native-toolchain crss-toolchain blah blah blaj; do
01:41 < mnemoc_> for x in 1 2 3 4 5 ... ; do
01:41 < mnemoc_> internaly
01:41 < rxr> no
01:41 < rxr> we already have this
01:42 < rxr> that would mean no change
01:42 < rxr> 0 toolchain
01:42 < mnemoc_> we have a big mess
01:42 < rxr> 1 basic system
01:42 < rxr> 2 rebootstrap
01:42 < rxr> 3 basic stuff
01:42 < rxr> 4 nothing
01:42 < rxr> 5 normal
01:42 < rxr> 6 nothinh
01:42 < rxr> 7 paranoia rebuild (seldom used)
01:42 < rxr> 8 nothing
01:42 < rxr> 9 rebzuild
01:42 < rxr> yes
01:42 < rxr> and still using numers would not clean this up
01:42 < rxr> we get names - fullstop
01:43 < rxr> everything else would be just another mess
01:43 < mnemoc_> we can keep the 10 numbers and give 10 usefull names
01:43 < rxr> oehm
01:43 < rxr> no
01:43 < mnemoc_> as you wish
01:43 < mnemoc_> i have to go to parent's in law aniversary now
01:43 < rxr> then we have not talked in different ways the wohle time...
01:43 < mnemoc_> parents*
01:44 < rxr> I thought the call for names really meant it
01:44 < rxr> as currently they have names  
01:44 < mnemoc_> yes
01:44 < mnemoc_> current names are senseless
01:44 < mnemoc_> haveing base and 'normal' only is crap too
01:44 < rxr> There's other great software that comes with PhotoSuit 4 that you can install if you want:
01:44 < rxr> Microsoft Media Plaer 6.4 (required for MP3 playback)
01:44 < mnemoc_> oh
01:44 < mnemoc_> i have to go
01:45 < mnemoc_> bbl
01:45 < rxr> cu - hae fun
01:45 < mnemoc_> super fun :\
01:46 < CIA-9> rene * r5569 /branches/kde-3.4/package/kde/ (25 files in 25 dirs): * basic kde 3.4-beta injection
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01:46 < Postal> Hey all
01:46 < Postal> rxr, you around?
01:47 < rxr> hi Postal 
01:47 < Postal> so I am sitting in front of my shiney new SuSe X86_64 box now
01:49 < CIA-9> rene * r5570 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
01:49 < CIA-9> * enavled ncurses anf nvi for stage 1 (nice for cross builds)
01:49 < CIA-9> * disabled ncurses c++ support for stage 1 (cross)
01:49 < CIA-9> * fixed and cleaned nvi for cross builds (directory specification)
01:49 < Postal> so if I want to play and have fun, would the best and the quickest thing to do, be a svn co, then a default build?
01:49 < rxr> Postal: do you have your t2 build from yesterday around ?
01:49 < Postal> rxr, no
01:49 < rxr> ok - then svn co - configure and try a build ;-)
01:50 < Postal> ok, is a default ok, as opposed to a desktop, which apperently even on my system will take 3 days
01:50 < rxr> you mean generic?
01:50 < Postal> yeah
01:51 < rxr> generic build a bit more when compared to desktop
01:51 < rxr> did you tought you can cut compile time by using generic ?
01:51 < Postal> yeah, i figured less packages, cause desktop is supposed to be more beefy..
01:51 < rxr> hm - did you think, hm - correct?
01:52 < Postal> ..?
01:52 < Postal> you lost me
01:52 < rxr> I corrected my sentence
01:52 < Postal> oh ok ic
01:52 < Postal> yes 
01:53 < Postal> well at any rate, what would i build if I wanted a min system to build myself...
01:53 < rxr> I still did not understand if you got that right - desktop has less packages than generic
01:53 < rxr> bot on that box both should nto take that long ...
01:53 < Postal> ok
01:53 < rxr> s/bot/but/
01:53 < rxr> urgh- this photosuite looks ugly ...
01:54 < Postal> wow svn co is taking a while today
01:54 < Postal> there done
01:56 < rxr> Postal: you ask when you need help, right ?
01:56 < Postal> rxr, Of course
01:56 < Postal> I am going to build a native AMD64 optimized generic system..
01:57 < Postal> i set it to retry failed packages, and to output compile output to terminal
01:57 < Postal> sound good?
01:57 < rxr> I would not change that defaults
01:58 < rxr> e.g. compile output get's huge ...
01:58 < rxr> just select x86-64 and desktop or so ...
01:58 < rxr> and then give it a go ,-)
01:58 < Postal> oh
01:58 < Postal> one thing
01:58 < Postal> where should i mount the partition..?
01:58 < Postal> for t2
01:59 < Postal> can i just creat directory /T2 and mount it there?
02:00 < rxr> later? when you copy the build on it=?
02:01 < rxr> or now to alrady build on it ?
02:01 < Postal> which is the best way?
02:01 < rxr> hm - building on it would allow cheaper moving of it later
02:01 < rxr> when you mv build/$id/* /mnt/t2 or so ...
02:02 < rxr> so maybe mount it now to /mnt/t2 or so ...
02:02 < Postal> ok, i have to reboot to sync my partition table... i just created the partition
02:02 < Postal> its 46GB
02:02 < Postal> brb
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02:03 < mnemoc_> i arrived late :(   and now my wife is angry
02:05 < rxr> .oO
02:05 < mnemoc_> it had finished when i get there
02:08 < rxr> ohj
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02:09 < Postal> ok the new partition is mounted at /mnt/t2
02:09 < Postal> do I just move t2-trunk there and begin the build?
02:10 < rxr> btw you do not need to reboot linux for this
02:10 < rxr> yep
02:10 < Postal> to resync the partition table you do
02:11 < Postal> i had just created the partition in fdisk on a drive i was currently using
02:11 < mnemoc_> ?
02:11 < rxr> nah - there is just some warning that VFAT might like that or so ..
02:11 < rxr> I never rebooted any linux box in my life so far ...
02:11 < rxr> ... for such a change
02:11 < Postal> lol, well all i know is i could not mke2fs, until i rebooted, trust me i tried
02:11 < rxr> oehm
02:12 < rxr> interesting ...
02:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: what do you use to extract tar.* on windows?
02:12 < Postal> what is the command to move a whole file?
02:12 < rxr> this ugly winzip, or is there s.th. else these days?
02:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: 7zip
02:12 < rxr> (except a whole cygwin)
02:12 < Postal> Hey mnemoc_
02:12 < mnemoc_> hi Postal 
02:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: is it at lease free as in beer?
02:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: /zip is win32 native
02:13 < mnemoc_> GPL
02:13 < mnemoc_> 7zip*
02:13 < rxr> good
02:13  * rxr trying ...
02:13 < rxr> need a putty, too ...
02:13 < mnemoc_> winscp is another good win32 GPL
02:13 < Postal> rxr, why are you in windows in the first place?
02:14 < rxr> Postal: I was windows free since 1996/7 - but I need to snoop some bits of a windows USB scanner driver ...
02:14 < Postal> ok
02:14 < rxr> to compare it with my SANE backend to get a slightly higher quality and rid some artefacts one scanner produces ...
02:15 < Postal> Paranoia Check: Program 'makeinfo' not found!
02:15 < Postal> The makeinfo program is needed for translating Texinfo
02:15 < Postal> documents. Please make sure that a current version of the
02:15 < Postal> texinfo package (including makeinfo) is installed on your system.
02:15 < Postal> Paranoia Check found errors -> not doing anything.
02:15 < Postal> You can disable the Paranoia Checks in the Config tool
02:15 < Postal> on your own risk!
02:15 < rxr> it is better to install makeinfo first ...
02:16 < rxr> you can try ./scripts/Build-Pkg makeinfo
02:16 < rxr> texinfo even
02:16 < rxr> it is in texinfo so:
02:16 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Pkg texinfo
02:16 < Postal> oh ill just pull it off my suse disk
02:17 < rxr> if you wish
02:17 < rxr> Build-Pkg should be able to build it from source into your running system ...
02:18 < Postal> im sure it can, but suse, is wierd about running lots of config files after you install software, and I dont want to run the manually, also, this is faster, also they are built to work with this distro
02:18 < rxr> windows gfx is a bit sluggish ... 
02:18 < rxr> I'm used to other performance levels. ...
02:20 < rxr> hm - after that IE update I was able to install firefox
02:20 < rxr> strange system ...
02:20 < Postal> ok i am downlaoding the packages now
02:21 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw what do you think about integrating the download more smothly - e.g. one would save big amounts of time when the download could be run when it is actually needed by the package ..
02:21 < rxr> one could even run Download -required and then start the build there the missing files would ne grapped on-demand ...
02:23 < rxr> ok - too much annoying software - at least it is installed now ...
02:23 < rxr> how long took this - urfgh
02:23 < rxr> I could have setup a T2 server farm during the time I needed to get this win box running ...
02:24 < rxr> so much about TOC ...
02:24 < mnemoc_> considering Download takes the same order than Build-Target they can run in parallel
02:24 < Postal> rxr, are there plans to integreate the scripts into one command for the isntall?
02:24 < mnemoc_> but i dislike the idea of mixing phases
02:24 < mnemoc_> downloading on demand is even slower
02:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: when you consider the fetching delay, yes
02:25 < rxr> but when you can run the Download and start the build at the same time you will win nearly the whole download time ...
02:26 < Postal> You guys are always doin somthin huh
02:26 < rxr> Postal: there are plans to rewrite the whole scripts for 3.0 - maybe in s.h. like C++ but this is still under discussion
02:26 < Postal> haha, c++ is fun lol
02:27 < rxr> but - well - let's not tweak this - we wanted to freeze the scripts in favour of a cleaner rewrite ...
02:27 < rxr> so - no new features until then *g*
02:29 < mnemoc_> :)
02:30 < Postal> lots of packages to dl
02:30 < mnemoc_> Postal: -required limits download
02:30 < Postal> i used that lol
02:30 < Postal> ;-)
02:31 < Postal> im slowly getting the hang of the scripts
02:32 < rxr> mnemoc_: was there some limiataion that our packages need to start with a charakter ?
02:34 < Postal> rxr, it seems to me there are alot more packages than there were last night
02:35 < mnemoc_> rxr: 00-dirtree?
02:37 < mnemoc_> Postal: cross-build build builds about 50 pacakges only
02:37 < mnemoc_> adn we have more than 1300
02:37 < Postal> mnemoc_, generic builds aprox how many?
02:37 < mnemoc_> all of them
02:37 < Postal> are you shitting me?
02:37 < mnemoc_> that's why we have pkgsel, templates and custom targets
02:38 < rxr> Postal: you did not selected desktop ?
02:38 < Postal> that will take a long time
02:38 < Postal> rxr, no
02:38 < mnemoc_> Postal: nope, that's generic.
02:38 < rxr> exactly - you coudl select the minimal template ...
02:38 < rxr> Postal: select at least desktop
02:38 < Postal> hmm
02:38 < Postal> can i crtl-c
02:38 < rxr> yes
02:38 < mnemoc_> yep
02:38 < rxr> or select the minimal+xorg template if you want to get a very minimal system first ...
02:39 < Postal> rxr, that is what i want, i want to play with it
02:39 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/
02:39 < rxr> ;-)
02:40 < Postal> rxr, what am i selecting
02:40 < Postal> in the config for a min system
02:41 < mnemoc_> generic+(minimal+xorg template)
02:41 < mnemoc_> and you add anything extra on pkgsel
02:41 < mnemoc_> X xfce4/*  for example
02:42 < Postal> mnemoc_, i dont see that as a target distro
02:42 < mnemoc_> generic is the target
02:42 < Postal> ok
02:42 < mnemoc_> minimal+org the template
02:42 < mnemoc_> pkgsel is just below template
02:43 < Postal> i dont see this template in the config
02:43 < Postal> mnemoc_, ./scripts/Config -cfg system
02:43 < mnemoc_> it's on expert zone
02:43 < Postal> ok
02:43 < mnemoc_> are you an expert? ;)
02:43 < Postal> mnemoc_, no but you are lol
02:44 < mnemoc_> o_O
02:47  * rxr packaging 7zip ...
02:47 < mnemoc_> how? 7zip is win32 only
02:47 < Postal> I got permission denied errors on the download...
02:47 < mnemoc_> ?
02:47 < rxr> the portable version from sourceforge ...
02:47 < Postal> Finished downloading 1448 bytes in 2.589 seconds (559.289 bytes/sec).
02:47 < Postal> curl: (23) Failed writing body
02:47 < Postal> ./scripts/Download: line 531: src/Download-Errors: Permission denied
02:47 < Postal> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 23. Please read the curl manpage.
02:48 < mnemoc_> what mirror?
02:48 < mnemoc_> Postal: are you running as root?
02:48 < rxr> Postal: do you run the build as root ?
02:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: which vnc do you use for win ?
02:48 < mnemoc_> none :p
02:49 < mnemoc_> putty only 
02:49 < rxr> ideally I would hack the box up to come up with vnc - place the box in some dark corner - and only kick the power button when I have scanenr stuff to analyze ...
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02:57 < Postal> ok im building
02:57 < mnemoc_> wb rxr_
02:59 < mnemoc_> i was changing stagelevel conditions to use $chrootlevel, i it doesn't seem to fit in your view, what should i do with that?
03:00 < mnemoc_> rm -rf that tree?
03:04 < rxr_> what should chrootlevel be ?
03:04 < mnemoc_> now 2
03:04 < rxr_> ah - that ...
03:05 < rxr_> hm - I would not add such a define...
03:05 < rxr_> please bring it up on the list or so ...
03:05 < rxr_> but we should not do anything in this area before 2.1 ... anyways
03:05 < mnemoc_> nah, it's your project and you hate the idea ;)
03:05 < rxr_> it is not my project ...
03:06 < mnemoc_> there are many ways to handle a property, clifford way, linus way, ...., rene's way :)
03:06 < mnemoc_> s/ a / /
03:08 < mnemoc_> of course you are not T2's pharaon, but i'll not direct the project in a way which you dislike
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03:09 < rxr_> I just recognize one drawback of really named stages
03:09 < rxr_> once can not do $stageleve -gt $crosslevel
03:10 < rxr_> chrootlevel even ...
03:10 < mnemoc_> :)
03:11 < mnemoc_> thats what i meaned with internal numbers for semantic stages
03:11 < rxr_> well - but naming it "real names" brought a lot of confusion into that
03:11 < rxr_> since they now :have_ names - but it is neither advanced nor clean enought ...
03:12 < mnemoc_> my english is much worse that yours
03:12 < mnemoc_> current names don't fir reality
03:12 < rxr_> yesterday Postal said yours is fine - and I could need some practice ,-)
03:12 < mnemoc_> or they are not the same for all of us
03:12 -!- You're now known as rxr
03:13 < mnemoc_> you were sleepy :p
03:14 < mnemoc_> 9: native rebuild of everything
03:14 < rxr> well - let's sleep over the stages - and discuss it in length - and let's wait with changes until we have a 2.1 branch
03:14 < mnemoc_> ok
03:14 < Postal> rxr, "and I could use some practice" not need some practice
03:14 < Postal> ;-)
03:15 < Postal> are you guys leaving?
03:15 < rxr> no ...
03:15 < Postal> oh ok
03:16 < Postal> good, cause once this build finishes, i dont know how to chroot in lol
03:16 < rxr> ouhm
03:16 < rxr> the original windows driver is also not exactly fast ...
03:17 < Postal> rxr, nothing in windows is fast
03:17 < rxr> and I feared the manufactur could complain about my OSX drivers speed (which is currently manages only 50% of the speed compared to running the same i/o core under linux ...)
03:17 < Postal> wow you guys really did enable all the options on these packages
03:19 < mnemoc_> chroot build/foo
03:19 < Postal> mnemoc_, ..?
03:19 < mnemoc_> that way you chroot into your build :)
03:20 < Postal> oh
03:20 < Postal> once its built, can I just boot into it?
03:20 < mnemoc_> if you build/foo is a mount point of a partition, yes
03:20 < mnemoc_> your*
03:21 < Postal> i am building the system in /mnt/t2
03:21 < Postal> hd(0,5)\
03:21 < rxr> Postal: you can then boot it - but you might first test it without boot chrooting into it
03:22 < rxr> THIS IS A JOKE
03:22 < rxr> what the h*ll do the windows programmer do the whole day ...
03:22 < rxr> I have this scanner add-on PhothoSuite 4 or so here ..
03:22 < rxr> not only that I needed to install the latested Internet Exporer in my Win98 here to install it
03:23 < rxr> and then it offered my the Window Media Player to playback mp3 ...
03:23 < mnemoc_> and kazee to get the music and virus
03:24 < rxr> it also sucks so much that when you click the scan button and the scanner user interface pops up, the files are just scanned into /My files/... and so on and when you exit the scanner interface the damn application pops up a dialog just telling "Your files have been stored in; My files and so on ... "
03:24 < rxr> this is a joke
03:24 < rxr> I do not believe this ...
03:24 < rxr> I do night shifts to get a state of the art driver done for OSX - and this windows crap just sucks ...
03:25 < Postal> rxr, now, lets review... windows...bad linux...good
03:25 < Postal> rxr, how many kernel modules did you enable lol
03:26 < rxr> kernel modules ? all moduls are automatically enabled ...
03:26 < Postal> rxr, i noticed lol
03:26 < rxr> this is done automatically - we did not hardcode them all ..
03:26 < rxr> we have better things to do ...
03:27 < rxr> == 03:21:04 =[9]=> Building archiver/7zip [4.14 2.1.0-beta3].
03:27 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (158 hits, 0 misses)
03:27 < mnemoc_> =)
03:27 < rxr> == 01/15/05 03:22:33 =[9]=> Finished building package 7zip.
03:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: GUI or command line?
03:27 < rxr> cml
03:27 < rxr> k# 7za 
03:27 < rxr> 7-Zip (A) 4.14 beta  Copyright (c) 1999-2005 Igor Pavlov  2005-01-11
03:27 < rxr> p7zip Version 4.14 (locale=C,Utf16=off,HugeFiles=on)
03:27 < mnemoc_> i didn't know this existed
03:28 < mnemoc_> =)
03:28 < mnemoc_> exists*
03:28 < rxr> well - I knew that one - I read about it in some compression papers ...
03:28 < rxr> I did not know the all format window thing ...
03:28 < Postal> do you consider the 2.6 kernel to be stable?
03:28 < mnemoc_> i mean, i tought it was a win32-only GPL
03:29 < mnemoc_> Postal: if you don't update it, yes
03:29 < CIA-9> rene * r5571 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/ (. 7zip.cache 7zip.conf 7zip.desc install.patch): * added 7zip (4.14)
03:29 < Postal> mnemoc_, then why include the 2.4 kernel
03:29 < Postal> what is CIA-9?
03:30 < mnemoc_> becasue is safer on production
03:30 < mnemoc_> Postal: cia.navi.cx
03:30 < rxr> Postal: a bot that posts commit in our svn tree here ...
03:30 < Postal> ahhh ok
03:30 < rxr> and collects some graphs on the site mnemoc_ posted
03:30 < Postal> ok
03:30 < mnemoc_> Postal: /join #commits and watch how the world moves
03:31 < rxr> this photosuite is especially slow ..
03:32 < Postal> ooh someone just commit a gentoo fix
03:32 < Postal> lol
03:40 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
03:40 < rxr> ^- poor ROCK ...
03:42 < rxr> haha
03:42 < rxr> I just power toggled the scanner
03:42 < rxr> that crashed the windows driver ....
03:42 < rxr> *lol*
03:53 < rxr> I go to bed
03:53 < rxr> but I think I'll get up in four hours or so again ...
03:53 < rxr> cu all
03:53 < rxr> and Postal: much luck for your x86-64 build
03:55 < Postal> ok
03:55 < mnemoc_> cu rxr
03:56 < mnemoc_> i'll go to sleep too
03:56 < Postal> mnemoc_, you staying for a while?
03:56 < mnemoc_> nope
03:56 < Postal> what was that chroot command again?
03:56 < mnemoc_> but just repeat what you did last night
03:56 < mnemoc_> chroot build/foo ...
03:56 < Postal> what cp the kernel and whatnot to boot
03:56 < Postal> and the libs to libs
03:57 < mnemoc_> boot/*-dist
03:57 < Postal> no, ill just use the t2 partion as root
03:57 < mnemoc_> and lib/modules/*-dist
03:57 < Postal> ok
03:57 < mnemoc_> cu
03:57 < mnemoc_> good luck
03:57 < Postal> is this all in the manual
03:57 < mnemoc_> yes
03:57 < Postal> ok cool
03:57 < Postal> cu
03:58 < Postal> and thanc
03:58 < Postal> thanx*
03:58 < mnemoc_> and if not, you will add it to wiki
03:58 < Postal> ok
03:58 < mnemoc_> gn8
04:00 < Postal> rxr, your leaving also..?
04:16 < Postal> i got an error for when you get back "-> $root/var/adm/logs/1-sysfiles.out -> 1-sysfiles.log
04:16 < Postal> == 01/14/05 22:14:10 =[1]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
04:16 < Postal> chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': No such file or directory
04:16 < Postal> "
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07:41 < rxr> jo
07:41 < rxr> rehi
07:43 < ideal> Hi, rxr. It's late there.
07:44 < ideal> Oh, my fault. It's 7:45 am in your timezone:)
07:45 < rxr> I got to bed at 4.00 ... and now got up early ...
07:47 < ideal> You are something.
07:48 < rxr> ?
07:48  * rxr breafastz 
07:53 < ideal> I mean you are outstanding (something in oral English) :)
08:27 < rxr> well I just have a full TODO ...
08:27 < rxr> and need to pay bills ...
08:54 < rxr> mnemoc_: the ? url stuff is not google, friendly, right ?
08:54 < rxr> mnemoc_: the wiki site I mean ..
08:55 < ideal> rxr: Can I take a little help for your project?
08:57 < rxr> sure!
08:58 < ideal> How can I start?
08:58 < rxr> well - have you started using it?
08:58 < rxr> e.g. building some system or so ?
08:59 < ideal> I'll try to do that:)
09:00 < rxr> are you good in web design ?
09:00 < rxr> and/or what are you skills in general?
09:02 < ideal> Java; Enterprise Application; A little Linux/FreeBSD.
09:05 < rxr> hm - no java need here ...
09:06 < rxr> our homepage could get some big design improvements ...
09:06 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org ...
09:06 < rxr> what would you like to do ?
09:08 < ideal> I can do a little help for web design and some bash and objc projects:)
09:10 < rxr> objc ;-) *g* - nice 
09:11 < rxr> well if you have some fun doing some html work - some design proposals for the web-site would be really cool ...
09:11 < rxr> I prefer modern CSS formating - but as long as it looks better than the current barebone all is welcome ;-)
09:11 < rxr> btw. no need to convert all pages
09:12 < rxr> just the basic design idea and formating ...
09:12 < ideal> CSS 2.0?
09:12 < rxr> 1.0 is enough for now ...
09:12 < rxr> I mean - s.th. that at least Mozilla, Konqueror and IE render (mostly)
09:13 < ideal> I use Mozilla, but no IE.
09:14 < rxr> it is ok - when it is not tested with IE - after all - that's IE ... ;-)~
09:14 < ideal> :)
09:15 < ideal> Then where to start?
09:18 < rxr> with the html page work =
09:18 < rxr> ? even
09:19 < ideal> Such as main.css, index.html or others?
09:19 < rxr> yes - I would take one page and play with the formating
09:20 < rxr> or better first think about the style - look at some other sites and then play with one t2 page
09:20 < rxr> and send modified proposal files that demonstrate the look
09:22 < rxr> and it can be graphical - e.g. use some other good looking open source project sites as guide
09:23 < rxr> http://www.mozilla.org/
09:23 < ideal> May I know some motivation about this redesign?
09:23 < rxr> http://www.mozilla.org/
09:23 < rxr> http://www.blender.org/
09:23 < rxr> the motivation is better presentation
09:23 < rxr> not so boring textual undesigned
09:24 < rxr> but colorful and hip - s.th. that does good PR
09:24 < rxr> maybe even http://fedora.redhat.com/
09:25 < ideal> http://www.coolhomepages.com/
09:27 < ideal> blender.org is powered by PostNuke. You may choose it also.
09:27 < rxr> well - I would pefer to keep the main homepage undynamic - for the sake of security
09:28 < ideal> Understand.
09:37 < ideal> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/us-gentoo/
09:39 < rxr> but I do not like the gentoo site very much ... :-(
09:39 < rxr> e.g. the mozilla site looks great
09:39 < rxr> I find the gentoo one quite chaotic and hard to read/search
09:47 < CIA-9> rene * r5572 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/ (subversion.desc svnperl-hotfix.patch svnperl-hotfix2.patch): * updated subversion (1.1.2 -> 1.1.3)
10:13 < rxr> ideal: and - what is your plan ?
10:15 < ideal> Thinking,.. but I'm not a good graphical designer:(
10:17 < rxr> it was just an idea ... ;-)
10:18 < ideal> :)
11:01 < rxr> I get annoyed by the damn Open Firmware
11:01 < rxr> the nvram editing is anooying
11:01 < rxr> this is the uglied thing I ever saw ...
11:01 < rxr> even worser than windows
11:01 < rxr> I now try for over an hour to just enter 3 tiny lines there ...
11:02 < rxr> I now boot back into linux and hope there is some nvram eeprom thing there to clear the messed nvram ...
11:11 < rxr> I get the feeling the Open Firmware was created to drive people mad ...
11:16 < rxr> ok - best way to clear the messed nvramrc:
11:16 < rxr> setenv nvramrc ""
11:18 < rxr> hm - I still found no way to remove empty lines
11:18 < rxr> this nvedit is a crap ...
11:26 < rxr> ah:
11:26 < rxr> Control-K
11:26 < rxr> If at the end of a line, join the next line to the current line (that is, delete the new line).
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11:33 < rxr> the Open Firmware has strange buffer overrun bugs when the lines get longer than console collumns ...
11:42 < rxr> yeah - finally!
11:42 < rxr> got my IBM Trap 3e problem work aroundded
11:42 < rxr> damn Open Firmware stealing my time ...
11:43 < rxr> valentin: I post the details to the t2 list if you wanna fix your Trap 3e problem, too ..
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12:12 < CIA-10> rene * r5573 /trunk/target/bootdisk/linuxrc.c: 
12:12 < CIA-10> * fixed bootdisk/linuxrc.c to really traverse the wohle module
12:12 < CIA-10>  directory (I think this is a implementation bug in the dietlibc ...)
12:12 < CIA-10> * added workaround to always run stage1() for now, since Alejandro
12:12 < CIA-10>  reported the confitional failed on his systems for the boot/cd ...
12:24 < CIA-10> rene * r5574 /trunk/package/powerpc/powerpc-utils/powerpc-utils.cache: * added missing powerpc-utils.cache
12:40 < CIA-10> rene * r5575 /trunk/package/powerpc/powerpc-utils/ (powerpc-utils.cache powerpc-utils.conf powerpc-utils.desc): 
12:40 < CIA-10> * powerpc-utils cleanup, including [U]] fix, match_source_file usage
12:40 < CIA-10>  and up-to-date cache file
13:23  * rxr off lunch - cu
13:24 < CIA-10> rene * r5576 /trunk/package/sparc/sparc-utils/ (. sparc-utils.cache sparc-utils.conf sparc-utils.desc): * added sparc-utils (1.9-2)
13:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have the t2-project.org bill in my hand ... case set ..
13:30  * rxr lunch - cu in 1h+ ...
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13:34 < freedy> hi @ll
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13:37 < Minto> Hi all
14:13 < mnemoc_> moin
14:35 < valentin> rxr: yes
14:37 < mnemoc_> hi valentin 
14:37 < valentin> moin mnemoc_ 
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15:55 < madtux> hello
15:55 < madtux> daja77: awake?
15:55 < mnemoc_> hi mike
15:56 < madtux> hola Alejandro como le va?
15:58 < mnemoc_> o_O
16:00 < madtux> mm... this mortal have quite an extrange way to return a polite greeting.
16:00 < madtux> mortals*
16:02 < mnemoc_> como _le_ va?
16:02 < mnemoc_> you only talk that way when you are angry
16:03 < madtux> oh sorry, I'm not angry, I'm just trying to be a little bit more polite and formal :)
16:03 < mnemoc_> :)
16:03 < mnemoc_> i'm quite ok, and you?
16:03 < madtux> I'm _GREAT_ thanks for asking.
16:04 < mnemoc_> great to hear that :)
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16:30 < daja77> madtux: yes
16:48 < madtux> El Sr. Daja :)
16:57 < rxr> moin
16:58 < mnemoc_> moin rxr 
16:59  * rxr driving home - cu in some minutes ...
16:59 < mnemoc_> cu
17:07 < mnemoc_> fsck!
17:07 < mnemoc_> i can't build anything on this cross-base.... always 'cpp fails sanity check'
17:08 < madtux> mm..
17:08 < madtux> what did you do?
17:09 < mnemoc_> i did a cross-build, and dump it to a machine
17:09 < mnemoc_> but i can scripts/Config because i don't have curses, and i can't compile it because cpp
17:09 < mnemoc_> i can't emerge gcc neither due to the same reason
17:10 < mnemoc_> etc etc etc
17:10 < madtux> do'h
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17:23 < mtr> hi
17:24 < mnemoc_> hi mtr
17:24 < mtr> hi mnemoc
17:28 < mtr> this morning i started a new desktop build, svn r5572
17:28 < mtr> first failure was 7zip, which does not build in stage 1
17:29 < mtr> i guess this is a type in the priority tag: [P] X -0---5---9 108.600 ??
17:29 < mtr> i meant typo
17:29 < mtr> and it should read: [P] X -----5---9 108.600
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17:33 < rxr> re
17:33 < mnemoc_> it is a typo
17:33 < rxr> yep
17:34 < mnemoc_> but i don't know what rxr wanted to write
17:34 < rxr> ----
17:34 < rxr> ;-)
17:34 < mnemoc_> :)
17:34 < rxr> I fix it ...
17:35 < mnemoc_> http://www.policyrouting.org/PolicyRoutingBook/ONLINE/TOC.html <--- interesting
17:36 < CIA-10> rene * r5577 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/7zip.desc: * fixed 7zip to not build in stage 0/1 and inserted the checksum
17:42 < mtr> ok, thanks for fixing this one
17:43 < mtr> the next failure is glibc in stage 5:
17:43 < mtr> make[2]: *** [/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1105784139.3600.7f0100/libc/objdir/sunrpc/xbootparam_prot.stmp] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
17:44 < mnemoc_> i got that too!!
17:44 < mnemoc_> i thought it was my box
17:45 < rxr> mnemoc_: mtr: what are you optimizing to?
17:45 < mnemoc_> P4
17:45 < mtr> i am running a native build on a k7, never had hardware problems before
17:45 < rxr> does the error vanish for the 2nd build of the glibc ?
17:45 < mnemoc_> nope
17:45 < rxr> mtr: I was not suspecting hardware problem ...
17:46 < mtr> so i clear the .err file an restart the build ?
17:46 < rxr> mtr: you optimize for k7 s.th. ?
17:46 < mtr> yes
17:46 < rxr> hm
17:46 < rxr> which of the athlon-xyz setting ?
17:47 < rxr> could you try to run gdb on the core file to get a backtrace ?
17:47 < mnemoc_> i'll start a new build.... 
17:48 < mnemoc_> pissed-me run a Cleanup -full
17:48 < mtr> rxr: i selected to optimize for "AMD Athlon" => X86_OPT='athlon'
17:48 < mtr> i will have a look at the core file now ...
17:49 < rxr> I do such a build locally ...
17:49 < rxr> s/I/I'll/ ... ;-)
17:50 < mnemoc_> :)
17:56 < mtr> hmm, can i get some symbols into gdb? perhaps the values does have a meaning to you:
17:56 < mtr> (gdb) core-file libc/sunrpc/core
17:56 < mtr> Core was generated by `/TOOLCHAIN/src.glibc.1105784139.3600.7f0100/libc/objdir/elf/ld-linux.so.2 --lib'.
17:56 < mtr> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
17:56 < mtr> #0  0x401832b0 in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> (gdb) bt
17:56 < mtr> #0  0x401832b0 in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> #1  0x400035bf in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> #2  0xbfffaa08 in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> #3  0x00000000 in ?? ()
17:56 < mnemoc_> cool less built against termcap works like a cat :D
17:56 < mtr> #4  0x00000001 in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> #5  0x00000000 in ?? ()
17:56 < mtr> #6  0x00000000 in ?? ()
17:57 < mnemoc_> mtr: can you sed 'debug' on Config and run again?
17:57 < mnemoc_> set*
17:57 < mnemoc_> Config -> Expert -> Bottom
18:00 < rxr> mtr: uhm - I expected much - but not the dynamic linkder crashing ..
18:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: cat what ?
18:00 < mtr> mnemoc: so i should just clear the .err file and run Build-Target again?
18:00 < mnemoc_> yes
18:00 < mtr> ok
18:00 < mnemoc_> but enable DEBUG on Config
18:00 < mnemoc_> or config/*/config
18:00 < mtr> yep, it has DEBUG=1
18:01 < mnemoc_> Build-Target :)
18:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: less foo   is identical to cat foo here
18:03 < mnemoc_> i can't see why my cpp is not sane, if i can't scroll config.log
18:11  * mnemoc_ editing default config with sed to start a build-target
18:12 < mnemoc_> this is not fun anymore :\
18:12 < rxr> .O
18:14  * mnemoc_ needs to learn 'ed'
18:19 < rxr> valentin: damn - I just had to notive the open firmware hacking does not work for power-up - only for reset ...
18:19 < rxr> damn
18:20 < rxr> ok - sparc off back to scanners ...
18:25 < mnemoc_> PATH_MAX undeclared??!!
18:25 < mnemoc_> building 0-linux-header :(
18:26 < mnemoc_> this gcc is really not sane
18:28 < mnemoc_> at least now i have network
18:29 < rxr> oO
18:29 < rxr> poor mnemoc
18:29 < rxr> should I build s.th. for you ?
18:29 < mnemoc_> that may work
18:30 < mnemoc_> an ncurses and vi for p4 (or lower) would be nice :\
18:31 < mnemoc_> have you used cross-bases lately, or is it me?
18:31 < mnemoc_> do you have minimal-t2 isos?
18:31 < mnemoc_> x86
18:32 < mnemoc_> i don't trust bins built here anymore
18:33 < rxr> I can built a minimal t2 if this would be fast enought for you ...
18:33 < rxr> a bootable one ?
18:34 < mnemoc_> tbz2
18:34 < mnemoc_> no, no need of bootable
18:34 < mnemoc_> i can dump it from bg-rescue
18:35 < mnemoc_> but not gem please ;)
18:36 < rxr> build started
18:36 < rxr> ppro
18:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: btw, iproute2 needs to be fixed, SBINDIR=${sbindir#$root} because we use DESTDIR, and on stage 0 and 1 that's a $xroot/$xroot/sbin
18:36 < rxr> since athlon here no p4 ...
18:37 < mnemoc_> ok
18:37 < mnemoc_> that's enough
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18:38 < mnemoc_> i should have installed compiler on my other machines
18:38  * mnemoc_ moving home... i need to eat
18:40 < rxr> cu
18:40 < mnemoc_> cu, and thanks ;)
19:10 < rxr> ulrich drepper is a troll ...
19:10 < rxr> someone asks some question about a segfault in glibc when he tries to test a new glibc in his /home/$user/bla - and drepper jsut replies:
19:10 < rxr> This is a list for developers.  Look for some other forum. 
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19:18 < rxr> == 01/15/05 19:18:32 =[1]=> Finished building package gzip.
19:31 < mtr> well,  the glibc rebuild is ready - and it shows the same error :(
19:32 < mtr> and it is weird, i do not have any symbols in the core file, just like before
19:33 < rxr> altough debugging enabled?
19:33 < mtr> i checked twice, in config/*/config there is ROCKCFG_DEBUG='1'
19:33 < rxr> btw - this might be due to random memory corruptions and thus an invalid stack frame inthe dynamic linkder ...
19:33 < rxr> linker even
19:34 < rxr> mtr: could you try an updated glibc? just to make sure they have not fixed s.th. in between ?
19:34 < rxr> I'll build an athlon build after the minimal for mnemoc_ 
19:36 < mtr> rxr: i will try a glibc cvs version from today, or should i use any other tag or date?
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19:43 < rxr> no - today sounds good ,-)
19:43 < rxr> maybe run a diff before the build and take a look if s.th. changed in that region
19:50 < mtr> i can't believe it - there is only a single change in glibc since 2004-12-24
19:51 < mtr> the change is not related to the segfault
20:01 < rxr> mtr: we switched to the stable branch of glibc - be happy they do not change so much as they did in all minor releases of the 2.3 series ...
20:07 < CIA-9> rene * r5578 /trunk/package/network/rdesktop/ (krdc-embed.patch rdesktop.desc): 
20:07 < CIA-9> * fixed rdesktop to make it usable for krdc - imported from ROCK Linux
20:07 < CIA-9>  submaster
20:07 < CIA-9> * took over maintainship and improved the .desc file
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20:10 < Postal_> hey all
20:10 < rxr> hi Postal_ 
20:10 < Postal_> Someone stole my nick, i had to use the little "_"
20:11 < Postal_> For some reason i cannot chroot into my build
20:12 < Postal_> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
20:12 < rxr> whas has been built so far ?
20:13 < rxr> the chroot does of course only work when the basic stuff including bash has been build ..
20:16 < Postal_> rxr, i bult a generic with a Minimal+x
20:17 < rxr> it finished ?
20:18 < Postal_> yeah last night
20:19 < Postal_> is there any way to check what was built, and if there were any errors..?
20:19 < rxr> what does ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg your-config-name
20:19 < rxr> yield ?
20:19 < rxr> what was your config?
20:19 < rxr> system or so ?
20:20 < Postal_> 146 builds total, 46 completed fine, 0 with errors.
20:20 < rxr> hm
20:20 < rxr> then try:
20:21 < rxr> tail build/system-*/TOOLCHAIN/logs/build_target.log 
20:21 < rxr> if system was your config name ...
20:21 < Postal_> it was
20:22 < Postal_> Processing static lib corrections ...
20:22 < Postal_> Verifing the .la files ...
20:22 < Postal_> Found 101 files for this package.
20:22 < Postal_> Clear (old) md5sums and cksums ...
20:22 < Postal_> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done.
20:22 < Postal_> Creating package description ...
20:22 < Postal_> Making post-install adaptions.
20:22 < Postal_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-sysfiles.out -> 1-sysfiles.log
20:22 < Postal_> == 01/14/05 22:14:10 =[1]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
20:22 < Postal_> chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': No such file or directory
20:23 < rxr> ah - ok
20:24 < Postal_> any ideas?
20:24 < rxr> I already imagined that ..
20:24 < rxr> yep - sure ;-)
20:24 < rxr> do this:
20:24 < rxr> cd build/system-*
20:24 < Postal_> you know what i love about you... you always have an answer
20:24 < rxr> ln -s lib lib64
20:24 < rxr> cd usr
20:24 < rxr> ln -s lib lib64
20:24 < rxr> cd ..
20:24 < rxr> chroot .
20:24 < Postal_> symlink the libs of course lol
20:26 < Postal_> ok now im at a bash prompt, how do I be SURE it is correct..
20:27 < Postal_> a cd / will do it
20:27 < Postal_> in my suse / I have a dir called windows, here i do not
20:27 < Postal_> so... what now?
20:30 < rxr> so you are in the chroot environment ... ;-)
20:30 < Postal_> yeah
20:30 < rxr> Build-Target stopped building, since the bash was not executable due to the libs missing ...
20:30 < rxr> you could now start the Build-Taarget -cfg system again to continue building your minimal T2 ;-)
20:31 < rxr> it will contineu to build all the remaining stuff in this new sandbox
20:31 < Postal_> ah ok, do this from inside the chroot?
20:31 < rxr> no
20:31 < rxr> just exit that bash
20:31 < Postal_> ok 
20:31 < rxr> the Build-Target does the chroot automatically on demand ...
20:32 < rxr> look at the error you posted - it already trieed it:
20:32 < Postal_> i know
20:32 < rxr> 20:22 < Postal_> == 01/14/05 22:14:10 =[1]=> Finished building package sysfiles.
20:32 < rxr> 20:22 < Postal_> chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': No such file or 
20:32 < rxr> ok ;-)
20:33 < Postal_> that much i got lol, but i never would have thought to symlink the libs, i have to do it in LFS builds, but i suppose that i expected it to be automatic...
20:33 < rxr> yes
20:33 < rxr> this is expected to be done completely differently 
20:33 < rxr> but I'll add this workaround to our build system in a moement
20:33  * rxr busy doing 3 other things in parallel right now ...
20:33 < Postal_> with a commit?
20:34 < rxr> sure
20:34 < rxr> I'll add and commit this in some minutes
20:34 < rxr> btw you are the first one that got x86-64 that far using T2 ...
20:35 < rxr> of course we already fixed a lot of stuff for it .. - seems we are quite finished with the x86-64 fixup round ...
20:35 < rxr> ,-)
20:35 < Postal_> instead of "some" you should say "in a few".. and I would never have gotten this far if you guys werent watching out for me lol
20:39 < rxr> ,-)
20:39 < rxr> thanks for the test builds ;-)
20:40 < Postal_> np, prehaps in a few days after my exams this next week Ill build a full generic for you
20:40 < rxr> valentin: Ultra SPARC Trap 3e mail sent to the list ...
20:40 < rxr> we might need to patch some packages for that on the way ...
20:41 < rxr> just post errors when you get some
20:41 < rxr> when noone is around just feed them to the mailing list:
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20:41 < mipe> hi all
20:42 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
20:42 < rxr> hi mipe 
20:42 < rxr> mipe: Postal_ got a x86-64 cross build into stage 2 ...
20:43 < mipe> i got stage 1 build and its trying to go stage 2,and chroot to prev stage but gives error: chroot:cannot run command 'bin/bash': No such file or directory
20:43 < rxr> yep
20:43 < rxr> commit in a few minutes ...
20:43 < rxr> to manually solve it:
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> cd build/system-*
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < Postal_> you know what i love about you... you always have an answer
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> ln -s lib lib64
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> cd usr
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> ln -s lib lib64
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> cd ..
20:43 < rxr> 20:24 < rxr> chroot .
20:44 < rxr> but I commit this to sysfiles right now
20:45 < mipe> nice,thanks. its continuing to build stage 2
20:45 < rxr> 00-dirtree even
20:45 < rxr> ,-) I expect most stuff to just build
20:45 < rxr> however I sa some -fPIC patches on the ROCK Linux site - maybe some of them are really needed
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20:48 < rxr> s/sa/saw/
20:54 < mipe> oh well,gotta go,till tomorrow. thanks rxr for the solution.
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20:57 < Postal_> where did the CIA-9 bot go?
20:57 < rxr> it vanishes from time to time whenit needs a break ... ;-)
20:57 < Postal_> lol
20:57 < rxr> box reboot or network outage or so  ....
20:57 < Postal_> how many times is the toolchain built?
20:58 < rxr> it is not our box - so no idea ... - it is from the cia.navi.cx site ...
20:58 < rxr> http://wiki.t2-project.org/index.cgi?Toolchain
20:58 < Postal_> ok
20:59 < Postal_> So I am at stage 2 now
20:59 < rxr> it does not mean that much is build in all stages
20:59 < Postal_> rxr, what would be the point of stage 9?
21:00 < rxr> 4 6 7 and 8 are nearly empty ...
21:00 < rxr> and 2 and 3 only sanity rebuild the basic toolchain after the cross build ...
21:00 < rxr> insane paranoic people
21:00 < rxr> stage9 is disabled by default nowadays (in T2)
21:00 < Postal_> i diddnt cross compile this one
21:02 < rxr> ah - yes
21:02 < rxr> pseudo cross compile then ,-)
21:02 < Postal_> why pseudo cross?
21:02 < Postal_> I have both a 32 and a 64 bit toolchain on the host system
21:02 < rxr> for native builds in stage 0 we build some kind of pseudo cross compiler to make sure we have some valid compiler and not broken system ones - like the RedHat 2.96, or other patched to death ones ...
21:03 < Postal_> well, the 32 bit toolchain may be patched, but i built the 64bit one myself..
21:03 < rxr> and you need this when you build to a system with an majorly updated glibc or totally different libc in some cases 
21:04 < rxr> we always do the pseudo cross bulid - if you  do not disable it in the expert option 
21:04 < rxr> and seesing all sorts of crazzy problems I never encourage anyone to touch that option ;-)
21:04 < Postal_> the only option i touched in expert, was the template.. i also made it pipe compiler output to screen
21:05 < rxr> I only meant the "Disalbe pseudo cross compiler stage" options ;-)
21:05 < Postal_> right..
21:06 < Postal_> i like to see the compiler output... it lets me know whats going on
21:07 < rxr> ;-) I like to keep the overview
21:07 < rxr> but that's why the option is there - the free choice ...
21:07 < rxr> we consider adding an esimated progress bar to the normal status output ;-)
21:08 < Postal_> ollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
21:08 < Postal_> make[2]: *** [jv-convert] Error 1
21:08 < Postal_> make[2]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.1105817798.11389.0x7f0200/gcc-3.4.3/objdir/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/libjava'
21:08 < Postal_> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
21:08 < Postal_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.gcc.1105817798.11389.0x7f0200/gcc-3.4.3/objdir/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/libjava'
21:08 < Postal_> make: *** [all-target-libjava] Error 2
21:08 < Postal_> No 2-gcc.log file.
21:08 < Postal_> --- BUILD ERROR ---
21:08 < Postal_> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
21:08 < Postal_> Processing static lib corrections ...
21:08 < Postal_> Verifing the .la files ...
21:08 < Postal_> Found 92 files for this package.
21:08 < Postal_> Clear (old) md5sums and cksums ...
21:08 < Postal_> Calculating package dependencies ...
21:08 < Postal_> Creating md5sum and cksum files ... done.
21:08 < rxr> hm- tht
21:08 < Postal_> Creating package description ...
21:08 < Postal_> Making post-install adaptions.
21:08 < rxr> hm - that is not too good ...
21:08 < Postal_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/2-gcc.out -> 2-gcc.err
21:08 < Postal_> i know
21:08 < rxr> after all it is just java ...
21:09 < Postal_> what options did you pass to gcc in the stage 2 build?
21:09 < rxr> well the gcc option generation is quite long in t2 ...
21:09 < rxr> you can see this in the log file
21:09 < rxr> maybe just try disabling java for now
21:09 < rxr> there should be a config option for this in the experts option
21:10 < Postal_> ok
21:10 < Postal_> but prehaps...
21:10 < rxr> we can take a look into such details later when you have a more commplete system ...
21:10 < Postal_> ok
21:10 < Postal_> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.3/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: .libs/jv-convert: hidden symbol `atexit' in /usr/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/lib/libc_nonshared.a(atexit.oS) is referenced by DSO
21:10 < Postal_> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.3/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
21:11 < Postal_> that worries me
21:12 < Postal_> ok let me disable java, and start up the build again
21:12 < rxr> hm- maybe google helps ..
21:12 < Postal_> well, the ld failing is a bad sign.. even if the file is not there eh
21:13 < Postal_> ok i disabled java
21:13 < Postal_> and i am building again
21:14 < Postal_> is there any way to set like a -j6 option?
21:17 < Postal_> on the make
21:18 < rxr> mom
21:22 < rxr> phoning
21:22 -!- lars__ [~lars@port-212-202-42-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2
21:23 < rxr>  hi lars__ !
21:23 < lars__> hi rene
21:23 < lars__> I have a question concerning rocknet
21:23 < rxr> go on ,-)
21:24 < lars__> Finally we got our dsl connection together with a nice tiny router
21:24 < rxr> btw. greetings from susan, just on phone ...
21:24 < lars__> ah, greetings as well to her
21:24 < rxr> so - call ended ...
21:25 < rxr> lars__: so we see you around more often ?
21:25 < lars__> ok, when I connect with Mac OSX to that router the system seems to get its
21:25 < lars__> dns-server entry from the router
21:26 < rxr> yep - dhcp I guess ...
21:26 < lars__> under linux this is not the case. eth0 is configuered in /etc/network with 
21:26 < rxr> when you want this w/ linux just put dhcp into the config file ;-)
21:26 < lars__> option dhcp
21:27 < lars__>  --- so dhcp is there --- do I need to configuere the dhcp clienent to get
21:27 < Postal_> catimage.c:204: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast
21:27 < Postal_> catimage.c:205: warning: assignment makes integer from pointer without a cast
21:27 < Postal_> make[1]: *** [catimage] Error 1
21:27 < Postal_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.bin86.1105820626.16418.0x7f0200/bin86-0.16.16/ld'
21:27 < Postal_> make[1]: Entering directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.bin86.1105820626.16418.0x7f0200/bin86-0.16.16/as'
21:27 < Postal_> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
21:27 < Postal_> make[1]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.bin86.1105820626.16418.0x7f0200/bin86-0.16.16/as'
21:27 < lars__> the right entry in /etc/resolve.conf
21:27 < Postal_> install -m 755 -s as/as86       /usr/bin/as86
21:27 < Postal_> install -m 755 -s ld/ld86       /usr/bin/ld86
21:27 < Postal_> install -m 755 -s ld/objdump86  /usr/bin/objdump86
21:27 < Postal_> install: cannot stat `ld/objdump86': No such file or directory
21:27 < Postal_> make: *** [install] Error 1
21:27 < Postal_> No 3-bin86.log file.
21:28 < rxr> lars__: could you post your dhcp line
21:28 < rxr> e.g. there should not be "option" in front of it ...
21:28 < rxr> Postal_: hm - not that good ...
21:28 < Postal_> i am going to google it
21:29 < lars__> rene:here it is:
21:29 < lars__> interface eth0(home)
21:29 < lars__>         dhcp
21:30 < rxr> ah
21:30 < rxr> yes - that should work
21:30 < rxr> you do not configure the dhclient in any other way ..
21:30 < rxr> lars__: you can try manually what the dhclient does by running:
21:30 < rxr> ifconfig eth0 up
21:30 < rxr> dhclient eth0
21:31 < rxr> and watch what it throws on the terminal
21:31 < Postal_> rxr, google, does not give me much info
21:31 < rxr> Postal_: you should look for this error if ld/objdump86 was build correctly ...
21:32 < rxr> cd src.bin86.*
21:32 < Postal_> rxr, and how would i know that?
21:32 < rxr> cd bin86*
21:32 < Postal_> oh
21:32 < rxr> and then take a look what was build there ...
21:32 < rxr> you could also hand out some ssh accounts here if you like us to take a look from remote ...
21:33 < rxr> lars__: ?
21:33 < Postal_> rxr, I see an objectdump86.c in the ld file 
21:34 < Postal_> "objdump86.c"
21:34 < rxr> can you make the build log available somehow?
21:34 < rxr> web server or so ?
21:34 < Postal_> i could email it to you thats about it
21:34 < lars__> rxr: one moment, please, I will try something else.
21:36 < rxr> Postal_: sure - mail is fine: rene@exactcode.de
21:36 < Postal_> where is the build log located?
21:37 < rxr> build/system-*/var/adm/logs/2-bin86.err
21:37 < rxr> --typos
21:37 < rxr> all the T2 package management files are in var/adm
21:37 < valentin> hi lars__ 
21:37 < lars__> rene: when I do ifconfig eth0 down and then uncomment, the nameserver entries in /etc/resolve.conf 
21:38 < lars__> after ifconfig eth0 up; dhchlient eth0 I have no nameserver entries.
21:39 < lars__> hi valentin
21:42 < rxr> but the IP is set ?
21:42 < rxr> my brother and martin baum already mentioned s.th. like this but so far it just worked for me ...
21:43 < rxr> I always closed such cases with "WORKS-FOR-ME" and "buggy DHCP server"
21:43 < rxr> would be nice if you could review what's going on.
21:43 < Postal_> ok, i sent the email
21:43 < rxr> use etherreal to sniff what the DHCP answers to the requests and / or consult the dhclient source ... ;-)
21:43 < lars__> yes the IP is set
21:44 < mnemoc_> re
21:44 < rxr> maybe the DHCP server sets some "temporary nameserver /flag/" or so that does make dhclient think it better does not use it ?
21:44 < Postal_> rxr, what are ssh accounts?
21:45 < rxr> Postal_: you know telnet ?
21:45 < Postal_> yeah
21:45 < rxr> ssh is encrypted / secure telnet ...
21:45 < Postal_> ah ok
21:45 < rxr> ,-)
21:45 < rxr> normally used all the day
21:45 < rxr> currently I have about 5+ ssh seassions running ...
21:46 < Postal_> tell me when you get that email... im not sure if my smtp is configed correctly
21:46 < rxr> not yet here ...
21:47 < Postal_> here comes before yet...
21:47 < mnemoc_> and each one is connected to an `screen`?
21:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: no - currently only 2 of them ... ;-)
21:47 < mnemoc_> :)
21:47 < rxr> time left:      6 hour 57 min 50 sec
21:47 < mnemoc_> ?
21:48 < rxr> until the enterprise broadcast from yesterday evening is hre ...
21:48 < rxr> seems to become a long night if I want to watch it before the sleep cycle
21:48 < mnemoc_> you can sleep before
21:49 < rxr> I would watch it on tv too - just that I do not want to wait 1 and 1/2 years for the ugly german translation ...
21:49 < rxr> Postal_: no mail yet
21:50 < mnemoc_> i got impressed but shrek, translated to spanish, was far better than the original version
21:50 < mnemoc_>  Created file outside basedir: /usr/bin/vi
21:51 < rxr> oehm - I thought I fixed that ..
21:51 < rxr> mnemoc_: are you at HEAD ?
21:51 < mnemoc_> mom
21:51 < Postal_> rxr, i just logged onto earthlink.net and sent it from there.. so i know it will send so... lets wait a moment.. if it dosent send, im happy to give you an ssh if you want one
21:51 < mnemoc_> URL: svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/editors/nvi
21:51 < mnemoc_> Repository UUID: c5f82cb5-29bc-0310-9cd0-bff59a50e3bc
21:51 < mnemoc_> Revision: 5578
21:52 < rxr> arrived thanks - look into it soon
21:53 < mnemoc_> i'll fix vserver now, so this 'issues' will not affect host machine
21:53 < rxr> this should have been fixed with r5570
21:54 < mnemoc_> it seems not :)
21:54 < rxr> I tested it ...
21:54 < mnemoc_> :|
21:54 < rxr> but a fix is welcome
21:54 < mnemoc_> :)
21:55  * mnemoc_ building on a p200 print server ;)
21:56 < rxr> .oO
21:56 < rxr> Postal_: bin86 is buggy - it continous to build even on error:
21:56 < rxr> catimage.c:27:2: #error "Compile error: struct exec invalid (long not 32 bit ?)"
21:56 < rxr> it is no wonder the install fails ...
21:56 < Postal_> at least one of us can make sense of it
21:57 < rxr> mnemoc_: can you do me a facour
21:57 < rxr> favour even
21:57 < mnemoc_> i can try
21:57 < rxr> do you have a rock 2.1 trunk ?
21:58 < mnemoc_> a working copy yes, a build or machine no
21:59 < rxr> could you search for *86*64*.patch and commit them all ;-) *g*
21:59 < rxr> I just added the bin86 one ...
21:59 < rxr> Postal_: can you svn up and restart the Target build ?
22:00 < mnemoc_> uhm
22:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: ok ok - I do it ...
22:01 < rxr> co - running
22:02 < mnemoc_> # echo package/*/*/*86*64*
22:02 < mnemoc_> package/rene/cdrdao/x86_64-support.patch package/x86/bin86/x86_64.patch
22:02 < rxr> that's all ?
22:02 < mnemoc_> yep
22:02 < rxr> ok - I grepp 
22:02 < rxr> grep harder for those when the co finished ...
22:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: thanks so far
22:02 < mnemoc_> sorry :|
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22:06 < mnemoc_> rxr: what do you think of FHS2.3's /media/{cdrom,floppy} and /srv ?
22:08 < rxr> ugly like hell
22:09 < mipe> rxr:i got few errors on early stage 2,gcc and bin86.
22:09 < rxr> I want to boycot it or veto it or so ...
22:09 < rxr> mipe: both are know
22:09 < rxr> bin86 is fixed in HEAD
22:09 < mipe> oh and gcc is fixed by disabling java
22:09 < rxr> for gcc you could disable the java compiler in the Config expert section or review why the link error happens ...
22:09 < mipe> its broken and works only in cvs ver with libtool patch
22:10 < rxr> gcc/java on x86_64 ?
22:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: what do you think about the FHS's /media and /srv stuff ?
22:10 < mipe> yeah gcj is broken for x86_64 in released version,from status was it from their ml. there was a report that only cvs+libtool patch works
22:11 < rxr> ok - I disable it in the .conf until it is known to work
22:11 < mipe> ok
22:11 < rxr> wait a sec
22:11 < mnemoc_> rxr: i use /srv because /var/opt/apache/... is a bit long, but media in addition to mnt is weird
22:12 < mnemoc_> # svn ci -F ./svn-commit.tmp --username mnemoc
22:12 < mnemoc_> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
22:12 < mnemoc_> svn: Connection is read-only
22:12 < mnemoc_> [18:12] [root@ferrari(pts/1)nvi]# svn info
22:12 < mnemoc_> Path: .
22:12 < mnemoc_> URL: svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/editors/nvi
22:13 < mnemoc_> aa... http
22:13 < mnemoc_> sorry
22:13 < rxr> mipe: svn up
22:13 < Postal_> rxr, did you say bin86 was fixed?
22:13 < rxr> yes
22:13 < Postal_> svn up?
22:13 < rxr> and gcc workaroudn to disable by default, too
22:13 < mnemoc_> i love to see you active again :D
22:14 < rxr> Postal_: ack
22:14 < Postal_> ack=?
22:14 < rxr> acknowledged
22:14 < rxr> Postal_: svn up and hapy building ;-)
22:14 < Postal_> ok
22:14 < mnemoc_> Postal_: too much tcp/ip in his head :)
22:14 < rxr> mnemoc_: I theory I have no time ... it is just that the t2 events kept me from my real work over the last hours ...
22:14 < rxr> making users happy and such ...
22:15 < mnemoc_> :)
22:15 < rxr> getting x86-64 ready before I invest in the hardware *g*
22:15 < mnemoc_> building a minimal for a friend?
22:15 < rxr> ah - yes
22:15 < rxr> there is some error to fix too
22:15 < mnemoc_> :D
22:15 < rxr> good that you remeber me to get back to that ...
22:15 < mnemoc_> nvi fixed
22:15 < rxr> CIA is missing again
22:16 < rxr> hello CIA, havn't you read the /topic ... ?
22:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
22:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
22:17 < rxr> Postal_: if you want to learn how to fix errors yourself you could take a look what changed when we commit fixes
22:17 < rxr> svn diff -rPREV:HEAD 
22:17 < rxr> ^- shoudl do
22:18 < rxr> lars__: how is your DHCP doin'?
22:19 < lars__> rene: no success still. The man pages are not very helpfull.
22:19 < Postal_> /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:19 < Postal_> Making post-install adaptions.
22:19 < Postal_> /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:19 < Postal_> /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:19 < Postal_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/3-ncurses.out -> 3-ncurses.err
22:19 < Postal_> /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:19 < Postal_> == 01/15/05 16:18:09 =[3]=> Aborted building package ncurses.
22:19 < rxr> yes - sorry
22:19 < rxr> I track exactly the same thing on the minimal build for mnemoc ...
22:20 < Postal_> rxr, so your fixing it at some point then
22:20 < rxr> yes - but I think after my pizza ...
22:21 < rxr> hm - still got a minute or two
22:23 < rxr> oh - gcc fix not yet commited
22:23 < rxr> my .conf was out of date
22:23 -!- mtr_ [~michael@H8363.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2
22:23 < rxr> now it isin
22:24 < rxr> hi mtr_ 
22:26 < lars__> rxr: I have no /etc/dhclient.conf. Is this intentionally?
22:26 < rxr> I have neither
22:26 < rxr> so I guess yes ;-)
22:26  * rxr lunch - cu later
22:27 < rxr> bash vs. ncurses under investigatoin 
22:27 < Postal_> rxr, how do you know all this lol
22:27 < rxr> lars__: you have write access - so if there is s.th. wrong with dhclient ;-)
22:27 < lars__> yes, first I need to know what is wrong...
22:30 < rxr> btw there are at least two other dhcp clients
22:30 < rxr> (or was the other a server ... )
22:30 < rxr> there is pump
22:30 < rxr> we have no package IIRC
22:31 < rxr> you could fix that - and see what pump does ...
22:31 < mnemoc_> dhclient-script too
22:31 < mnemoc_> which is a fork of dhclient
22:31 < mnemoc_> errr.
22:31 < mnemoc_> dhcpcd-script
22:31 < mnemoc_> a fork of dhcpcd
22:31 < lars__> I thought dhclient-script is part  of dhclient
22:31 < rxr> dhcpcd
22:32  * mnemoc_ needs coke (coca-cola)
22:32 < rxr> oh man - there are quite a few ...
22:32 < mnemoc_> if you don't need a server, do not install isc's.
22:33 < Postal_> rxr, what time is it over your way?
22:34 < rxr> 22:34
22:34 < Postal_> 10:34hmm 6 hours diff
22:34 < mipe> oh nice,-2h from my time
22:35 < Postal_> 16:35 here
22:35 < mipe> 30min and midnight,have to wake up at 6am. soon to bed
22:36 -!- CIA-10 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2
22:36 < mnemoc_> hey CIA-10! who authorized you to leave??!
22:36 < rxr> we need an own bot
22:37 < mnemoc_> a dumper like that is not hard to code
22:37 < mnemoc_> 15-20 lines with a good irc library/module
22:37 < rxr> yep
22:38 < mnemoc_> e.g. POE::Component::IRC    volunteers?
22:39 -!- mtr [~michael@H8a7b.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
22:39 < Postal_> rxr, how is the ncurses comming along... any ideas on whats wrong?
22:39 < rxr> yeah
22:39 < rxr> after the pizza max 10 minutes review and it should be fixed
22:39 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as KGB
22:40 < KGB> it's available...
22:40 < Postal_> rxr, could you try and explain whats wrong?
22:40 < KGB> do you like the CIA replacement nick?
22:40 < Postal_> prehaps i wont understand, but i would like to try lol
22:41 < KGB> to register it
22:42 -!- KGB is now known as mnemoc
22:43 < mnemoc> no, it was taken
22:43 < mnemoc> nickserv took his time to announce it :\
22:44 < rxr> maybe kgb was not used a long time
22:44 < rxr> and you could request reassignment
22:45 < mnemoc> Registered: 24 weeks 4 days (22h 57m 59s) ago
22:45 < mnemoc> Last Seen: 23 weeks 6 days (22h 43m 20s) ago
22:45 < rxr> request it
22:45 < rxr> valentin did the same w/ his nick
22:45 < mnemoc> yes? can i say it will be a bot?
22:46 < rxr> sure
22:46 < rxr> look at the freenode page
22:46 < rxr> there is some mail address somewhere ...
22:46 < rxr> an/or ask valentin 
22:47 < rxr> germany: schmidt on phoenix ...
22:54 < lars__> rxr: looking into the ack message of the dhcp-server, it returns his own local ip address as domain name server.
22:55 < lars__> putting it to /etc/resolv.conf works, except that it takes very long to load web pages.
22:55 < rxr> and why does dhclient reject it ?
22:55 < mnemoc> sent
22:55 < lars__> even the configuration page of the router itself takes about 10 s to load if called by its name and not by ip address
22:56 < valentin> mnemoc: they did not react to my mail
22:56 < valentin> so i queried them here in irc
22:56 < mnemoc> oh
22:57 < mnemoc> how did you choose a *.staff.freenode to query?
22:57 < valentin> sth like that
22:57 < lars__> rxr: I do not know why dhclient does not use it, perhaps it notices somehow the trouble and rejects it therefor.
22:58 < lars__> But for a ping to www.heise.de the namesever entry makes no difference (local router ip vs. some extern dns-server)
22:58 < lars__> any idea??
22:59 < mnemoc> lilo 23 minutes idle queried
23:02 < rxr> lars__: idea why dhclient rejects it?
23:03 < lars__> no, as I said, perhaps dhclient notices somehow the troubles caused by the proposed dns-server.
23:04 < mnemoc> dhclient is not smart
23:04 < lars__> I do not even have an idea why the response time is so bad when using the proposed dns-server (with MacOSX I noticed no problems)
23:06 < rxr> I neither
23:06 < rxr> too bad you are not as near as in berlin ...
23:07 < lars__> A nslookup works fine and fast --- but loading the same site in the browser takes up to 1 min
23:07 < rxr> maybe you want to restart the browser
23:08 < rxr> they only read /etc/resolv.conf .. at startup
23:10 < rxr> Postal_: the problem is that bash links again ncurses when I think it should not ...
23:11 < rxr> on the other hand ncurses should not install the files in such a defect way ...
23:11 < rxr> as I said - I review
23:11 < lars__> oh, seems that this was the right idea. Remains the question why dhclient does not use it.
23:12 < rxr> I would read the source ...
23:12 < mipe> rxr:i stole a patch from rl(bash readline.dff) and rebuild 1-bash and it worked
23:12 < lars__> I think this needs a look into the source code --- I have to ask Pamela if I should to it still tonight.
23:12 < mipe> bash vs ncurses thing
23:12 < rxr> lars__: greetings to hear btw. ;-)
23:14 < mipe> oh and little bash.conf fixing too,needed. to apply it only at stage 1.
23:14 < mnemoc> pastebot may be a good start point
23:14 < lars__> rxr: Oh, she is sleeping here on the chair. I will give your greatings to her, when I bring her to bed...
23:15 < rxr> ;-)
23:15 < rxr> mipe: thanks for the tip
23:15 < rxr> I'll test and inject it ..
23:16 < mipe> ok,but now to bed,early morning.cya
23:16 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["bed"]
23:19 < rxr> cu mipe
23:21 < lars__> rxr: ok, the problem is that the dhcp-server does not return an domain name. A quick lock at line 26 in /sbin/dhcp-script makes it clear. I will fix it and commit it tomorrow.
23:22 < rxr> lars__: ok - thanks!
23:22 < rxr> nice to see you here - I hope it will happen a bit more often now that you have DSL at home ;-)
23:24 < lars__> ... you may not forget: I have family and a job ... but I will see, what I can do.
23:25 < rxr> hey - I also have too many "jobs" ;-)
23:25 < lars__> but your jobs are not completely unrelated from hanging around in the t2 channel ;-)
23:26 < rxr> that reminds me I should urgently reboot into osx for this other job thing
23:26 < lars__> And you do not
23:27 < lars__> need to be at your job at 8 or 9 am, or so
23:27 < rxr> on - I work 20h on my desk these day ... *g*
23:27 < lars__> How the osx driver is advancing?
23:27 < rxr> oh - it is progressing ...
23:27 < rxr> you can get a free copy when it enters the 1.0 versions ...
23:28 < lars__> The usb timing problems are solved?
23:28 < lars__> Is gpl or something similar?
23:28 < rxr> the core is my gpl core - the rest is commericial licensing only ...
23:29 < rxr> for bill paying reasons ...
23:31 < rxr> Postal_: so - bash fix comitted ...
23:32 < CIA-10> rene * r5585 /trunk/package/shells/bash/readline.patch: 
23:32 < CIA-10> * fixed bash to not link against readline/ncurses - imported from
23:32 < CIA-10>  ROCK Linux
23:33 < rxr> Postal_: you need to do this:
23:33 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove bash
23:34 < rxr> because the bug was bash linking aginst libraries it should not 
23:34 < rxr> so you need to rebuild bash to be /bugfree/
23:34 < rxr> after that you can continue the normal build ...
23:35 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg system ...
23:35 -!- mnemoc is now known as KGB
23:35 < rxr> ;-)
23:36 < KGB> it still registered :\
23:36 < KGB> but i'll keep it
23:36 < rxr> have you discussed this ?
23:36 < KGB> discuss what?
23:37 < rxr> with some freenode person to reassign the nick ?
23:37 < KGB> i queried lilo, and some minutes after it was blocked by a deity
23:38 < rxr> deity ?
23:38 < KGB> ωνω KGB The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode)
23:38 < rxr> huh?
23:39 < rxr> == 01/15/05 23:39:34 =[3]=> Finished building package gettext.
23:39 < rxr> your minimal build ...
23:40 < KGB> 100%?
23:40 < rxr> nah
23:40 < KGB> :)
23:40 < rxr> KGB: what does this message mean ?
23:40 < rxr> 23:38 < KGB> ??? KGB The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not 
23:40 < rxr>              change (#freenode)
23:40 < rxr> ?
23:41 < KGB> the server block me to /nick KGB
23:41 < KGB> i don't know why
23:41 < KGB> but after some minutes i could
23:43 < KGB> <lilo> done!
23:43 < rxr> 143 builds total, 54 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:43 < KGB> <KGB> thanks :)
23:43 < KGB> <lilo> glad to help
23:44 < rxr> cool
23:44 < KGB> now i only need the bot :p
23:45 < rxr> do you want to do the bot?
23:45 < rxr> or should it be run on the main server ...
23:45 < rxr> and if you do it - how do you want to get the notifications ?
23:46 < KGB> i guess it should go to the server and be house on svn.ec.de ;)
23:46 < KGB> housed*
23:47 < rxr> ok - but better tomorrow, right ?
23:47 < rxr> or now ?
23:47 < KGB> tomorrow
23:47 < KGB> ++
23:47 < KGB> i need to remember perl
23:47 < KGB> and code somthing
23:47 < rxr> good ;-)
23:49 < rxr> 143 builds total, 60 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:49 < KGB> go go go
23:50 -!- KGB is now known as mnemoc
23:50 < rxr> Postal_: ping ?
23:50 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think, just a dumper or an extended pastebot?
23:54 < rxr> what or what ?
23:54 < rxr> I need more input ... ;-)
23:54 < mnemoc> pastebot has a web interface to paste, and announce it on irc
23:55 < mnemoc> a dumper may read a fifo
23:55 < mnemoc> and write it here
23:56 < mnemoc> or file based
23:56 < rxr> web interface?
23:56 < mnemoc> http://sial.org/pbot/
23:56 < rxr> fifo would be ok ...
23:57 < mnemoc> pastebot is that, a /don't paste on channel/ bot, which we can extend to also notify other stuff
23:58 < mnemoc> kgb-bot fsfs repo created (and it can be moved later)
23:59 < mnemoc> ttp://svn.geeks.cl/kgb-bot/
23:59 < mnemoc> http://svn.geeks.cl/kgb-bot/
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