T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-09
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--- Log opened Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2005
--- Day changed Sun Jan 09 2005
00:00 < mnemoc_>
hm. rock switching away from rockplug? <--- uhm?
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00:05 < rxr> mnemoc_: ?
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00:28 < rxr> that I once would write such into a svn commit message:
00:29 < rxr> => BUILD 123 (all only tested under Mac OSX ...)
00:39 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 1234 completed fine, 38 with errors.
00:39 < rxr> some erros gather togeter towars the end ...
01:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: here?
01:17 < rxr> yes
01:17 < rxr> but only -5 seconds ...
01:18 < rxr> -15
01:18 < mnemoc_> i did an script to 'backup' important info of test builds
01:18 < mnemoc_> i'll commit it
01:18 < rxr> ok ;-)
01:18 < mnemoc_> and you some day tell me if it packs info you find usefull
01:19 < rxr> I take a look as soon as time permits - maybe not tomorrow ...
01:19 < mnemoc_> ok
01:19 < rxr> yep ;-)
01:19 < mnemoc_> =)
01:19 < rxr> feel free to remind me about xmlrpc ...
01:19 < rxr> n8 all
01:19 < rxr> osx suck ...
01:19 < rxr> urgs ..
01:19 < tschmidt_> n8 rxr
01:20 < rxr> good that I can rest a few hours from it ...
01:20 < rxr> n8 tschmidt_ ;-)
01:20 < mnemoc_> Committed revision 5488.
01:20 < mnemoc_> n8 rxr
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02:52 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:52 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
02:52 [Users #t2]
02:52 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:52 [ daja77 ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ tschmidt_]
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04:44 < mnemoc_> rxr_,jsaw:something is wrong on cfg profiler
04:45 < mnemoc_> # grep ccache config/boot/packages
04:45 < mnemoc_> X -1---5---- 105.400 develop ccache 2.4 / base/development DIETLIBC 0
04:46 < mnemoc_> # ./scripts/Config -cfg boot -oldconfig
04:46 < mnemoc_> Creating configuration script.
04:46 < mnemoc_> T2 2.1.0-beta3 configuration ...
04:46 < mnemoc_> Building src/config_helper.so.
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ pkgcheck ccache X
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ bprof pkgcheck start
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ :
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ cfghlp pkgcheck ccache X
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ local ret=1
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ bprof pkgcheck stop
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ :
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ return 1
04:46 < mnemoc_> ++++ set +x
04:46 < mnemoc_> New config written to config/boot/*.
04:46 < mnemoc_> Cleaning up. Configuration finished.
04:46 < mnemoc_> night-flood :)
04:48 < mnemoc_> i know now
04:49 < mnemoc_> ccache is enabled on expert zone after user zone's pkgsel are queried
04:50 < mnemoc_> i'll think while is sleep
04:50 < mnemoc_> gn8 *
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08:23 < rxr> ouhm
08:23 < jsaw> rxr....
08:23 < jsaw> good morning
08:24 < rxr> good morning ;-)
08:24 < jsaw> read this:
08:24 < jsaw> Thanks. I took another look, found the bug, and fixed it. It's
08:24 < jsaw> entwined, or at least complicated by, a separate feature addition since
08:24 < jsaw> bash-3.0, so I will probably not be releasing it as a separate patch
08:24 < jsaw> to 3.0. If you'd like, I will add you to the list of bash testers, so
08:24 < jsaw> you'll get the first look at 3.1 when it goes into testing.
08:24 < rxr> jsaw: I guess you have not yet slept ?
08:24 < jsaw> I have slept. I woke up in Marlene's room around 3am
08:24 < rxr> jsaw: he will not sent a patch to us right now ?
08:25 < jsaw> (was fallen asleep aside here bed around 9)
08:25 < jsaw> rxr: looks like... I'll ask him for one.
08:27 * rxr breaskfast ... - cu
08:29 < jsaw> cu also
09:51 < rxr> re
10:04 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 1325 completed fine, 45 with errors.
10:28 < jsaw> very nice
10:28 < rxr> I schedule to invest every free minute to fix them all as soon as possible
10:29 < rxr> report and URL to the logs on the list ...
11:14 < rxr> I just scrolled over all error logs - only annoying stuff ...
12:05 < jsaw> btw annoying.. I wonder if all programs are linke against libpython-whatever.a (like blender). If somebody finds a way to generate a shared pythonlib... would be great
12:06 < jsaw> gotta, go. cu later.
12:19 < rxr> yeah - we should do that ...
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12:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
12:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
12:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc
12:30 < rxr> damn terminal thing here ..
12:31 < rxr> so - fedora builds python as shared object
12:31 < rxr> I take a look when I'm back from lunch to get our pacakge fixed ...
12:31 < rxr> cu
12:31 < rxr> (soon)
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13:26 < rxr> hm - intersting - the seleciton in safari contains the same bugs as it does in konqueror
13:26 < rxr> I thought the apple crew polished it at least a bit ...
13:28 < tschmidt_> safari inherited from konqueror?
13:28 < rxr> yep
13:28 < rxr> that was some quite big announced thing last year
13:28 < rxr> safari used KHTML ...
13:29 < rxr> they announced it quite big - and upset the Mozilla people, because they announced quite big that they reviewed available open source HTMl engines and found the Mozilla one quite ugly coded, buggy, hat and unmaintainable / unfixable and thus went KHTML ... ;-)
13:30 < rxr> s/hat/fat/ ...
13:31 < rxr> http://www.apple.com/safari/
13:31 < rxr> the right side box ...
13:32 < rxr> Open Source
13:32 < rxr> Safari uses open source software for its web page rendering engine, Safari draws on KHTML and KJS software from the KDE open source project. Being a good open source citizen, Apple shares its enhancements with the open source community.
13:32 < rxr> ah - yes - forgot they also use the KDE Javascript engine ...
13:34 < tschmidt_> nice
13:35 < rxr> cool thing is that apple sent and still sends quite a lot patches to the kde developers ...
13:36 < tschmidt_> thats really respectable - most company don't
14:58 < mnemoc> rehi
14:59 < mnemoc> moin!
14:59 < mnemoc> err
14:59 < mnemoc> ignore one
15:09 < tschmidt_> moin mnemoc
15:10 < mnemoc> moin tschmidt_
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15:11 < mnemoc> uhm, linux26 is broken
15:13 < rxr> ?
15:13 < rxr> ouhm - just right now it took nearly 10 seconds for this osx to react to the volume up/down keypress ...
15:13 < rxr> never experienced such a long delay before - sepecially not under the T2/Linux I run normally ...
15:15 < mnemoc> have you used freebsd?
15:16 < mnemoc> rxr: where that dates came from?
15:17 < mnemoc> i think we can do it
15:18 < mnemoc> beta3 needs some runtime testing only
15:18 < mnemoc> and i hope to have uboot well tested on beta4 date
15:19 < rxr> I have not adminstrated freebsd in the past that much - I have accounts on freebsd boxes at the uni ...
15:19 < rxr> mnemoc: the dates come out of the callender, picking the sunday near the 1st and 15th ...
15:19 < mnemoc> good planning method :p
15:20 < mnemoc> i'll write, after shower, my TODO for 2.1.0, can you try to do something similar and then discuss it on the list?
15:21 < rxr> I read over yours first and comment it then ...
15:21 < mnemoc> ok
15:21 < mnemoc> i'll send it today
15:21 * mnemoc to shower
15:22 < mnemoc> uhm... how is that written? shoawer?
15:22 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 1326 completed fine, 44 with errors.
15:22 < mnemoc> :D
15:22 < rxr> koffice fixed by python --enable-shared ...
15:22 < mnemoc> great
15:22 < rxr> shower was right ...
15:22 < rxr> the other python regressions did not change (at least they still fail)
15:23 * rxr off preparing some more tea
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15:35 < mnemoc> rxr: extras/drm/linux/Makefile:284: *** CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG needs to be enabled in the kernel.
15:35 < mnemoc> why the heck i'm building drm here??
15:37 < rxr> this are the DRM modules in the xorg postlinux.conf ...
15:37 < rxr> this X86_CMPXCHG is a known problems here already
15:37 < rxr> we should take a look what's going on there ...
15:37 < mnemoc> enalbe that by default?
15:38 < rxr> this is not available as config option but depends on CPU optimization selected ...
15:38 < mnemoc> oh
15:38 < rxr> when you build for generic 386 you do not get X86_CMPXCHG ....
15:38 < mnemoc> pmmx in my case
15:38 < rxr> the package however builds for my pentium-mmx and athlon builds ...
15:38 < mnemoc> brb
16:02 < rxr> mnemoc: I think I downdate wxwidgets
16:03 < rxr> jsaw: even ... - since you updated it ...
16:40 < valentin> So far we decided to try
16:40 < valentin> hard to release 2.1.0-final before the 2.0.0 ROCK Linux anniversary
16:40 < valentin> (for the fun of it) which was released 07.03.2004.
16:40 < valentin> -final: 27.03.
16:40 < valentin> ???
16:41 < rxr> 02 ...
16:41 < valentin> ok :)
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17:41 < jsaw> re
17:41 < jsaw> rxr: if you downdate wxwidgets, other programs will fail...
17:42 < jsaw> and wxwidgets 2.4 will not work with gtk2 but depend ont gtk1
17:47 < rxr> hm
17:47 < rxr> ok
17:48 < jsaw> I'm not sure what's better...
17:50 < jsaw> blender fixed?
17:50 < jsaw> (you said python is build shared now?)
17:51 < rxr> ADVICE: take ObjC warnings about "may not rspond to xyz" serious
17:51 < rxr> you might waste hours or days tracking annoying bugs otherwise ...
17:52 < mnemoc> rxr: why?
17:53 < mnemoc> ok
17:53 < rxr> don't ask me ...
17:53 < rxr> we just tracked one of such miscompiled code cases since last night midnight ...
17:54 < jsaw> <- gone again. dinner. cu later!
17:55 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
17:56 < rxr> this line was miscompiled
17:56 < rxr> bufferFill += [self fillDataBuffer:(buffer + bufferFill) ofMaxLength:readBytes];
17:57 < rxr> bufferFill += [self fillDataBuffer:(buffer + bufferFill)
17:57 < rxr> ofMaxLength:readBytes];
17:57 < rxr> added random junk ...
17:57 < rxr> don't ask me - I do right now want to know the details ..
18:20 < mnemoc> rxr: python svn bindings build on your reference?
18:23 < mnemoc> i was thining in adding subwiki on t2.geeks.cl, comments?
18:24 < rxr> if you wanna try out wiki, what about wiki.t2-project.org ...
18:31 < mnemoc> oh
18:32 < mnemoc> i thought you had already configured it ;)
18:33 < mnemoc> the name doesn't matter to me yet, wiki.t2-p.o is a great definitive name, i was thinking in engine for now
18:36 < rxr> so - wiki. goes to your IP and you pay with the wiki stuff so see how it works out ... ?
18:37 < mnemoc> pay?
18:38 < mnemoc> python python
18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
18:39 < rxr> btw. looks like the python bindings have been build during the ref build...
18:40 < mnemoc> good
18:40 < mnemoc> i'll have to get used to python
18:40 < rxr> but before I did the --enable-shared change ...
19:04 * mnemoc miss CIA
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19:20 < mnemoc> rxr: you made a typo on qtparted.conf, svn up
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23:15 < mnemoc> hi nzg
23:15 < rxr> hi all
23:15 < nzg> moin rxr, mnemoc
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23:18 < freddy> hi all
23:18 < rxr> hi
23:19 < freddy> hi rxr
23:19 < jsaw> re
23:19 < rxr> hi jsaw !
23:19 < jsaw> hi rxr :)
23:20 < jsaw> hi mnemoc nzg freddy
23:20 < nzg> moin jsaw
23:20 < nzg> moin freddy
23:20 < mnemoc> hi freedy
23:21 < mnemoc> i have a qustion about php to the t2-community present :)
23:21 < rxr> ouhm
23:21 * rxr no php expert ...
23:21 < rxr> where is maddin ... ;-)
23:21 < mnemoc> no, pacakge related
23:22 < mnemoc> php has lot of option we permit to config if dependencies are installed
23:22 < rxr> ok.-)
23:22 < mnemoc> but they are 0 by default
23:23 < mnemoc> so an emerge will never extend php according to what is installed on the machine
23:23 < rxr> that is not perfect .. ,-)
23:23 < mnemoc> shouldn't those options be 1 by default?
23:23 < rxr> maybe even be deteacted ...
23:23 < rxr> at least the usual stuff like zlib or so ...
23:24 < mnemoc> another vote for 'magic'? any vote for enabled by default if dependency is available?
23:24 < rxr> my magic means "enabled by default if dep avail" ...
23:25 < mnemoc> != autoenable if dep available?
23:26 < rxr> ah ok - i see the difference you meabn
23:27 < mnemoc> pkgcheck -> ROCKCFG -> [ ROCKCFG != 0 ] && pkginstalled && var_append
23:31 < rxr> I just clicked the build button 4 (four!) timey to get xcode to start compiling ...
23:32 < mnemoc> wasn't apple the king of usability?
23:33 < rxr> yeah - the usability is so high that it annoys me the wohle day and let me pray to get back into my beloved linux ...
23:33 < rxr> #t2 the silent list of osx bugs ...
23:34 < mnemoc> osx-bugs@exactcode.de
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23:37 < rxr> hi tschmidt
23:37 < tschmidt> rehi rxr
23:37 < tschmidt> damn cable.... i definitly need wlan...
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23:40 < nzg> if that sover doesn't crash anymore, i should not be disconnected that often anymore ;-)
23:41 < nzg> s/sover/server
23:41 < mnemoc> good luck :)
23:45 < nzg> mnemoc: thx ;)
23:54 < jsaw> I think the postlinux thing is a problem for ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete (sorry - no time to fix it myself)
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