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00:03 < jsaw> http://www.happyhippie.be/T2_a_reclame_Stern_Styuvesant1.jpg
00:03 < jsaw> hehe
00:03 < mnemoc_> i though i have replied it
00:04 < jsaw> look at the link...
00:04 < jsaw> I only say "T2"
00:04 < mnemoc_> nice T2 :)
00:05 < jsaw> I should ask styuvesant for the picture... and make a nice poster
00:05 < jsaw> The text by the way read "nothing can stop us"
00:06 < jsaw> reads
00:08 < mnemoc_> i still think we should play with VW's T2 to get a logo
00:08 < jsaw> I meant "... and make a nice T2-Project poster"
00:09 < mnemoc_> jsaw: didn't you got my reply to no-dist? it was the same day
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00:09 < sparc-kly> mnemoc
00:09 < jsaw> mnemoc_: no. also nothing on gmane
00:09 < jsaw> hi sparc-kly 
00:09 < sparc-kly> hi 
00:10 < sparc-kly> i download prebuilt binary CD release
00:10 < sparc-kly> in instalation i put root password . 
00:10 < mnemoc_> uhm
00:10 < sparc-kly> i booted my new system annddd miracle lol i dont have root access
00:10 < jsaw> yeah... the problem with stone.
00:11 < jsaw> chroot /mnt/target 
00:11 < jsaw> and call passwd by hand
00:11 < sparc-kly> ok
00:11 < sparc-kly> thanks
00:11 < jsaw> mnemoc_: we should add a note off the problem near the ISO dl
00:11 < jsaw> of
00:12 < jsaw> sparc-kly: init=/bin/bash might do the trick also
00:12 < jsaw> btw
00:13 < mnemoc_> i'll forward it
00:14 < mnemoc_> if thunderbird stop crashing...
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00:30 < jsaw> oh, mnemoc_ no. there's a new mail from me:
00:30 < jsaw> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/313
00:43 < mnemoc_> how do you use gmane?
00:43 < jsaw> what do you mean?
00:43 < mnemoc_> you use it as gateway or just as archive?
00:44 < jsaw> I just used it right now to see, if my mail really arrived.
00:44 < mnemoc_> i haven't got that one yet :\
00:45 < jsaw> ouhm. Denied at your provider?
00:46 < mnemoc_> i'm my own provider
00:47 < jsaw> hmmm.
00:48 < mnemoc_> here it is ;)
00:48 < jsaw> That script doesn't cause bash-3.0 with all official patches or my current
00:48 < jsaw> > development version to crash on Red Hat, MacOS X, or FreeBSD.
00:48 < jsaw> > ... (chet)
00:48 < mnemoc_> uhm
00:49 < mnemoc_> jsaw: read my forward if you haven't read it yet
00:50 < jsaw> I did.
00:51 < mnemoc_> I read yours and i liked 
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02:11 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5445 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/ (8 files): 
02:11 < CIA-9> * fixed heimdal to be optional
02:11 < CIA-9> * improved heimdal to massively enable kerberos5 if active
02:11 < CIA-9> * improved heimdal to extend cyrus-sasl2 openssh openldap postgresql
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02:50 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:50 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
02:50 [Users #t2]
02:50 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal  ] [ mtr_ ] [ praenti] [ valentin] 
02:50 [ CIA-9   ] [ jsaw   ] [ N0V4K] [ rxr    ] 
02:50 [ daja77  ] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg  ] [ rxr_   ] 
02:50 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
02:50 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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03:43 < CIA-9> susan * r5446 /trunk/package/network/ntop/ (. ntop.cache ntop.desc): * added ntop (3.1)
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06:54 < rxr_> moin
06:54 -!- You're now known as rxr
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07:47 < CIA-9> rene * r5447 /trunk/package/develop/ (avrdude/avrdude.desc uisp/uisp.desc): 
07:47 < CIA-9> * improved avrdude and uisp .desc fils, including fixing a typo and
07:47 < CIA-9>  the missing checksum in uisp
08:05 < CIA-9> rene * r5448 /trunk/package/network/ntop/ntop.cache: * injected a valid ntop.cache
08:14 < rxr> our package matrix now includes the cached build time dependenceis:
08:14 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/packages/avrdude.html
08:36 < CIA-9> rene * r5449 /trunk/package/x11/icewm/icewm.desc: * updated icewm (1.2.17 -> 1.2.19)
09:02 < rxr> ouhm - I need tea or coffee ...
09:03 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/packages/uisp.html
09:03 < rxr> ^- now the matrix includes more .cache stats ...
09:03 < rxr> build time as well as install size ...
09:13 < CIA-9> rene * r5450 /trunk/package/audio/sox/sox.desc: * updated sox (12.17.6 -> 12.17.7)
09:14 < CIA-9> rene * r5451 /trunk/package/graphic/pixieplus/pixieplus.desc: 
09:14 < CIA-9> * attempt to fix pixieplus for recent imagemagic version - hower it
09:14 < CIA-9>  does not build yet either ...
09:50 < rxr> oops:
09:50 < rxr> eth1: MAC controller error (WTERR). Ignoring.
09:50 < rxr> ^- in my iBooks kernel log - no idea what it is about ...
10:21 < CIA-9> rene * r5452 /trunk/package/ (196 files in 196 dirs): * took over all packages formerly maintained by Clifford
11:10 < rxr> so silent in the morning here ... :-(
11:10 < rxr> I should get up later ...
11:10  * rxr off to the backery to get rolls for lunch ...
11:26 < ideal> I'm here too:)
11:31 < rxr> ;-)
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r5453 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (4 files): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.17 -> 21.5.18)
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13:04 < rxr> so much to the ICC:
13:04 < rxr> "There's no one except for what's in the Intel compiler documentation.
13:04 < rxr> The intrinsics are intended to all be the same as for x86 (mmintrin.h,
13:04 < rxr> xmmintrin.h, emmintrin.h). There's at present no pmmintrin.h, and the
13:04 < rxr> stuff in emmintrin.h crashes the compiler (and is documented to not
13:04 < rxr> work; I wonder why they published it at all...)."
13:04 < rxr> ^- gcc list
13:12 < mnemoc_> re
13:16 < rxr> moin
13:16  * rxr away in some secs ...
13:19 < rxr> cu
13:19 < CIA-9> rene * r5454 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (5 files): 
13:19 < CIA-9> * work in progress work to migrate xemacs-beta to a hopefully more
13:19 < CIA-9>  stable xft branch ...
13:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you have the possibility to run a reference? i don't have enought space :\
13:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: i have been thinking about .cache files and we may use a simple dep reporting to improve our dependencies
13:35 < mnemoc_> rxr: cache reporter can see which of the official dependencies is not dependency for him and report it as weak
13:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: cache reporter can see which of his dependencies is not on the official list and report it as optional
13:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: cache report reciver filters the report and ask to add to a dependencies database
13:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: that's very easy to implement and it can give us a wider spectrum of dependencies and strongness of them without much effort
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15:10 < mnemoc_> .oO( enjoy the silence... )o
15:24 < nzg> rxr: i currently i'm having some space over on some server... so if there are some files you want to have a mirror accessible via http - tell me
15:26 < mnemoc_> nzg: you want to mirror ISOs or download/ ?
15:26 < nzg> yep
15:26 < nzg> something like that
15:27 < mnemoc_> both are very welcome :D
15:27 < nzg> the box will go in production somwhere mid february... so there's plenty of disk-spapce and 250G traffic laying around for nothing...
15:28 < nzg> and that thing is in a well connected servercenter
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15:29 < nzg> so i can definitly mirror until then and after that as long as the whole traffic of that box doesn't exceed 250G/Month
15:30 < rxr> re
15:30 < mnemoc_> nzg: :D
15:36 < nzg> so let'S use that thing for more than irc
15:37 < mnemoc_> do you do 250G/Month on irc?
15:37 < mnemoc_> dont*
15:37 < nzg> no, im not that irc-addicted
15:38 < sparc-kly> im irc-addicted
15:38 < sparc-kly> lol
15:38 < mnemoc_> nzg: i have two mirrors of download/, one on a 512/256 ADSL and another on a 2048/1024, your server _will_ help
15:39 < nzg> well that one has a marginal better connection ;-) (100MBit)
15:40 < mnemoc_> :D
15:41 < mnemoc_> marginaly
15:42 < nzg> just give it a hostname of your choice since i'm not allowed to add domains at will
15:43 < nzg> the name must resolve to:217.160.72.78
15:43 < mnemoc_> do you like nzg.geeks.cl? ;)
15:43 < mnemoc_> rxr: is t2-project.org active?
15:44 < nzg> ;-) why not 
15:45 < mnemoc_> # dnsip nzg.geeks.cl
15:45 < mnemoc_> 217.160.72.78
15:45 < mnemoc_> :)
15:46 < mnemoc_> Hier entsteht eine neue Internetpräsenz !
15:51 < nzg> k
15:51 < nzg> it's there
15:52 < mnemoc_> now you can name it
15:52 < nzg> mnemoc_: which mail-address do you the account-data to be sent?
15:53 < nzg> ?
15:53 < mnemoc_> account-data?
15:53 < nzg> login?
15:53 < mnemoc_> aa... to push mirror?
15:53 < nzg> yep
15:53 < mnemoc_> rene@exactcode.de
15:54 < nzg> k
15:54 < mnemoc_> http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_HTML=2&LEMA=guayabo
15:54 < mnemoc_> oops
15:54 < mnemoc_> sorry
15:55 < mnemoc_> i don't want to push the files from my adsl :p
15:57 < nzg> ;-)
15:58 < nzg> sent
16:08 < rxr> re
16:08 < rxr> sorry
16:08 < rxr> discussion with my girlfriend on phone - the usual stuff ... :-(
16:09 < rxr> nzg: thanks for the mail
16:09 < nzg> rxr: np 
16:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: your cache idea meets my ideas ...
16:13 < rxr> mnemoc_: but we should strip most off of the .cache files and put the deps in a .deps ...
16:13 < rxr> or so ..
16:13 < rxr> and one line each dep - so you do not get a four line change for a single dependency change ...
16:13 < rxr> as well as the weak/optional and so on marks ...
16:13 < rxr> but we want to do this for 2.2, don't we?
16:14 < rxr> nzg: I setup the mirror stuff tonight, I think
16:14 < rxr> could you also open rsync, or do you want ftp only ?
16:15 < nzg> currently rsync is not installed
16:16 < nzg> i will have some spare-time on the weekend, so i can install it then
16:16 < rxr> I go ftp then ...
16:18 < nzg> sry, but atm you'll have to
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16:39 < rxr> 16:29 <valentin> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/54847
16:41 < nzg> hehe
16:42 < rxr> amazing that this fat company does still not manage to present upcomming products in at least a barely working state ...
16:44 < nzg> well that what being a "fat" company is all about
16:45 < mnemoc_> rxr: i think .dep as it is, stuff detected from build. .deps may be the join of official and reported deps
16:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: or deps only on var/adm/cache and not .cache
16:47 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'm concerned about bootdisk :\
16:51 < rxr> yeah - bootdisk improvement should get an quite high priority ...
16:52 < rxr> ok - I need some food ... <-hungy ...
16:54 < mnemoc_> rxr: you forgot to commit the final stuff on linuxrc's main to let me enter stage2 ;)
16:54 < rxr> mnemoc_: I already told you - this is not your boot-up code path
16:55 < rxr> the "missing" is of no need for your install CD and would just result in the wrong stuff (namely normal system bootup module loading) to be triggered ...
16:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: but i get that printf as my last working thing
16:55 < rxr> but I can power the sparc up after lunch and commit it ...
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: then the argument parsing above is already broken ...
16:55 < rxr> the code above parts the kernel command line and decides what to do
16:56 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll have to build a printf-full linuxrc and trace :\
16:56 < rxr> add some printf's in the parsing to see what is found and what goes wrong
16:56 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/projects/tulip/
16:56 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes
16:57 < mnemoc_> tulip, cute thing
16:58  * mnemoc_ imagines a 3D ER diagram :)
16:58  * mnemoc_ wonders if tulip imports .dot files
16:59 < mnemoc_> uhm... that lisp-like format is easy to generate
17:01 < rxr> yeah: #t2 - the bookmark collector ...
17:02 < mnemoc_> http://libarynth.f0.am/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Libarynth/GraphDrawing
17:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: I guess .de -> .cl shipping is too expensive to ship you the next powerpc board I get ?
17:03 < mnemoc_> rxr: dhl-over night is expensive but there are cheaper ways ;)
17:03 < mnemoc_> where is CIA?
17:03 < rxr> no - idea ...
17:04 < rxr> ok - I reserve the next board for you then - let's discuss if I have spare moeny for the shipping when it is the time ...
17:04 < mnemoc_> ok
17:04 < mnemoc_> # grep -l heimdal var/adm/cache/*
17:04 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache/curl
17:04 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache/cyrus-sasl2
17:04 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache/heimdal
17:04 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache/openssh
17:04 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache/pam_krb5
17:06 < rxr> hm
17:07 < mnemoc_> hm?
17:16 < rxr> what did you wanted to tell us? packages tha did not utilze heimdal ?
17:17 < rxr> an - no sorry
17:17 < rxr> heimdal users ...
17:17 < mnemoc_> initialy no package supported it
17:17  * rxr shortly out getting food ...
17:17 < mnemoc_> now 4 
17:17 < rxr> ;-)
17:31 < mnemoc_> bbl
17:32 < mnemoc_> aa... forgot
17:32 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you start a reference somewhere?
17:32 < mnemoc_> bbl
17:38 < rxr> mnemoc_: I could ...
17:39 < rxr> I'll use a new glibc then ...
17:40 < rxr> I fix the known regressions and start the build thereafter ...
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18:03 < madtux> hello. :)
18:03 < nzg> moin madtux 
18:04 < madtux> nazgul!!!
18:04 < madtux> :)
18:04 < nzg> madtux: everything fine?
18:04 < madtux> yes everything GREAT, there?
18:05 < nzg> yep.
18:06 < madtux> I'm __V_E_R_Y___ busy atm, but i will idle a bit over here Mr. mnemoc_ doesn't tell me i don't come here. :)
18:11 < rxr> hi madtux !
18:12 < madtux> happy (late) new year rene
18:13 < madtux> rxr: you know we should add a timeout for scripts/Download 
18:18 < madtux> meaning.. a default reasonable timeout
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19:14 < rxr> ouhm - kterm yiels many warnings ... - ugly
19:50 < rxr> haha:
19:50 < rxr> Mga perl script which disables frequent modification of Y video signal component (there are some people who call this Macrovision protection) - this provide cleaner image and also allows to use TV connected via VCR.
19:51 < rxr> http://avifile.sourceforge.net/mgamacro.pl
19:55 < rxr> so mnemoc_ reference starting soon
19:58 < rxr>   T2 2.1.0-beta3 Configuration - reference           [ 1296 active packages ]   
19:59 < rxr> reference running - but with an uncommitted glibc update and with athlon optimizations so the build might take a few hours less ...
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20:00 < rxr> == 20:00:26 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4-2004-12-24 2.1.0-beta3].
20:04 < rxr> so /me off - cu
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23:31 < nzg> remoin
23:31 < nzg> args.... this damn thing is unreachable again...
23:32 < nzg> rxr: sry... the server damn server is again unreachable
23:32 < nzg> i'm gonna kill those people at schlund one day
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23:40 < jsaw> re
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