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00:00 < rxr> mnemoc: thanks - I think in the name of jsaw and me ;-)
00:00 < mnemoc> =)
00:01 < mnemoc> .oO( that looks like some kind of mario bros smiley )o
00:01 < daja77> mnemoc bros
00:01 < mnemoc> :-)
00:03 < jsaw> rxr, mnemoc: yes, thanks!
00:05 < mnemoc> jsaw, rxr, daja77: thanks! :)
00:09 < jsaw> moooh: 1-dietlibc.err:
00:09 < jsaw> i586-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc is /scratch/src/t2/build/default-2.1.0-beta2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/TOOLCHAIN/tool
00:09 < jsaw> s.cross/wrapper/i586-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc
00:09 < jsaw> [snip]
00:09 < jsaw> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-unknown-linux-gnu/3.3.3/libgcc.a(_stack_smash_handler.oS)(.text+0xea):../../
00:10 < jsaw> ....
00:10 < jsaw> 3.3.3 ????
00:10 < rxr> we had 899 visitors on http://www.exactcode.de yesterday
00:12 < mnemoc> and before the announcement?
00:13 < jsaw> aaahhh: CC=gcc
00:13 < rxr> avg. 100/d
00:14 < mnemoc> 9x :D
00:14 < mnemoc> beta2 will get 15x :p
00:14 < rxr> to bad symlink.ch did not pick us up yet ...
00:15 < rxr> for beta2 we will have isos ..
00:15 < rxr> this will go to the TB range on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de again ...
00:15 < rxr> but TB/month - not day
00:16 < hannes_> you have a TB in one month internet traffic?
00:16 < hannes_> woha..
00:19 < rxr> on gsmp. to ROCK times where I released ISOs properly ...
00:19 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de ...
00:19 < rxr> DFN connected box ...
00:19 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5116 /trunk/package/contrib/g-wrap/g-wrap.conf: * g-wrap.conf cleaned, no more custmain neither hardcoded versions - (not tested)
00:19 < hannes_> you are allowed to put a box in your fh?
00:20 < rxr> yes, sure ...
00:20 < rxr> otherwise it would not have a static IP, and not pass the (annoying and crappy) firewall ..
00:21 < rxr> altough I once had to answer questions why the traffic was in the TB range ...
00:21 < rxr> I told them and never heared back so far ...
00:21 < rxr> although I feared they would force me to unplug it ...
00:22 < hannes_> rxr: is ereryone allowed to do so?
00:22 < rxr> (I especially feared because I pissed this admin a bit ...)
00:22 < rxr> no, sure not ...
00:22 < jsaw> important lesson: if you don't ask (multiple times) you get nothing for free...
00:23 < hannes_> jsaw: thanks, i'll do so
00:23 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5117 /trunk/package/archiver/zip/zip.desc: * fix zip's [D] to use load balancer dl.sf.net
00:23 < hannes_> i'll ask tomorrow if i can move into the computer centre here =)
00:24 < rxr> cool - I have data passed thru TWAIN in Photoshop/Mac ;-)
00:24 < mnemoc> rxr: congratulations! :)
00:24 < hannes_> from me too!
00:24 * mnemoc to home, brb
00:25 < rxr> thanks ...
00:32 < rxr> hewy
00:32 < rxr> hey even
00:33 < rxr> the damn iBook OS dirver has no "line out" vs "headphone out" detectoin
00:33 < rxr> I just nearly rounied my ear - damn - maybe I could sue apple for that?
00:33 < rxr> I mean they could detect this via the impendance of the device plugged int ...
00:55 < mnemoc> re
00:56 < mnemoc> i guess if there is only one plug you can asume it is headphone
00:57 < rxr> there is one plug
00:57 < rxr> headphone/lineout ...
00:57 < rxr> it is shared ...
00:59 < rxr> google ranking:
00:59 < rxr> http://www.spamcop.net/
00:59 < rxr> http://www.julianhaight.com/
00:59 < rxr> ;-)
00:59 < mnemoc> o_O
01:16 < rxr> me just hanging as root on some P4 3Ghz box from someone I do not knwo as root ... ;-)
01:21 < mnemoc> uhm?
01:21 < rxr> yeah - quite trustful people today ;-)
01:21 < rxr> to debug his scanner ...
01:21 < mnemoc> hehe
01:21 < rxr> I said user account is enough so ...
01:22 < mnemoc> and you got root :)
01:22 < rxr> I'm a moron
01:23 < rxr> too late for me ...
01:23 < rxr> yep
01:23 < rxr> he offered root first - I said user is enough - but he gave me root anywy - this is the order
01:26 < mnemoc> hehe
01:27 < mnemoc> 2AM is your sleep line these days?
01:27 < rxr> nope
01:28 < rxr> the last day (or two days) I was in bed around 23-24 o'clock ...
01:28 < rxr> today is an exception - I promissed to take a look at that scanenr - and I feel I can not delay it anymore
01:28 < rxr> and it is an well known problem I wanna have solved sooner than later
01:31 < rxr> damn - photoshop can not open pnm ?!?!?!
01:32 < mnemoc> =)
01:33 < rxr> rescanning remotely in tiff
01:33 < rxr> I need this job doen and back to linux ...
01:37 < rxr> does anyone have some instant messaging client open ?
01:38 < rxr> oh - shift-F? does trigger expose to run quite slowly - I guess for demo use ...
01:39 < rxr> same for window hide ...
01:40 < jsaw> okay, last try after maybe trying 30 different version to get dietlibc compiled...
01:44 < rxr> hm - compiled here, what was your issue ?
01:44 < mnemoc> SSP
01:45 < rxr> ah so
01:46 < jsaw> the problem is if you choose STACKPRO=0 -> libgcc contains references to __guard etal and so linking with -lgcc will fail
01:47 < jsaw> I mean libgcc still contains...
01:47 < mnemoc> what about making patch conditional?
01:48 < jsaw> only for dietlibc?
01:48 < jsaw> I don't think so.
01:49 < jsaw> but I'm one step further. removing -lgcc and adding divdi3.c could work...
01:58 < jsaw> build
01:58 < jsaw> *YES*
01:58 < mnemoc> kudos!!
01:58 < mnemoc> :)
01:58 < mnemoc> 'just' two hours of hacking :p
02:00 < jsaw> rxr: before I commit this, please try adding var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-lgcc" on your PPC boxes and tell if there are missing symbols
02:00 < rxr> only for dietlibc ?
02:01 < mnemoc> that sounds evil
02:02 < jsaw> rxr: yep, only for dietlibc
02:06 < rxr> running - and then in bed
02:07 < jsaw> :)
02:08 < mnemoc> gn8 rene
02:08 < rxr> my brother's new iBook holder (called iCurve):
02:08 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/icurve1.JPG
02:08 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/icurve2.JPG
02:08 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/rene/icurve3.JPG
02:08 < rxr> still uploading ...
02:08 < rxr> of course it ir already runnin T2 ...
02:09 < rxr> a build from October ;-)
02:09 < mnemoc> cute laptop :)
02:09 < mnemoc> iCurve is the transparent thing bellow it?
02:09 < rxr> yep
02:10 < rxr> it is just a normal 12" iBook ...
02:10 < rxr> == 12/18/04 02:07:10 =[9]=> Finished building package dietlibc.
02:10 < jsaw> :) thanks
02:10 < rxr> --- package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf (revision 5087)
02:10 < rxr> +++ package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf (working copy)
02:10 < rxr> ...
02:10 < rxr> +var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-lgcc"
02:10 < rxr> so - n8 everyone
02:10 < jsaw> I also mailed to dietlibc mailing list.
02:13 < rxr> [1] filesystem/squashfs-tools [5] shells/ash
02:13 < rxr> 1015 builds total, 236 completed fine, 2 with errors.
02:14 < rxr> ./mkinit 'gcc -c -O2 -pipe -DSHELL -I. -D__BIT_TYPES_DEFINED__ init.c' builtins.c cd.c dirent.c bltin/echo.c error.c eval.c exec.c expand.c input.c jobs.c mail.c main.c memalloc.c miscbltin.c mystring.c nodes.c options.c parser.c redir.c show.c syntax.c trap.c output.c var.c bltin/test.cinit.c:120: error: stray '\224' in program
02:14 < rxr> ...
02:14 < rxr> the stray repeats quite often
02:14 < rxr> so - cu
02:15 < mnemoc> cu rxr
02:15 < jsaw> there's squashfs update
02:16 < jsaw> 2.1-r2 (5 days after 2.1 release)
02:17 < mnemoc> security updatE?
02:18 < jsaw> nope, fix due to gcc 3 extensions not compatible with gcc 2...
02:19 < mnemoc> does we support gcc2 for builds?
02:22 < jsaw> I don't think so, so no update needed... still I'll test and see if it passes.
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02:31 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | The system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
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02:31 [Users #t2]
02:31 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:31 [ CIA-9 ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly]
02:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
02:31 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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03:17 < jsaw> finally I'm off now. cu!
03:29 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
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10:42 < rxr_> moin
10:42 -!- You're now known as c
10:42 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:42 < rxr> ouhm
10:59 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5118 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/squashfs-tools.desc:
10:59 < CIA-9> * update squashfs-tools (2.1 -> 2.1-r2)
10:59 < CIA-9> (builds here (TM))
11:02 < jsaw> 1346 builds total, 267 completed fine, 0 with errors.
11:02 < rxr> moin
11:02 < jsaw> hi rxr
11:03 < rxr> hm - gtk+ release notes "GTK+ is the
11:03 < rxr> only 100% free-of-cost open source industrial-strength GUI
11:03 < rxr> toolkit available today."
11:03 < rxr> I do not find this sentence accurate ...
11:07 < rxr> Developers: GTK 2.6.0 Released
11:07 < rxr> do we want it in 2.1?
11:09 < jsaw> is it state that it is binary compatible?
11:09 < jsaw> stated even
11:09 < rxr> yes
11:09 < jsaw> then I'd say we want it.
11:10 < rxr> do you test it ?
11:10 < rxr> btw. I might add distcc supoprt today ...
11:10 < jsaw> the dietlibc changelog contains an entry about segfaults on dlopen with gcc 3.4, may I use CVS checkout?
11:11 < rxr> hm
11:11 < rxr> no release in sight?
11:12 < jsaw> I haven't seen any notice.
11:12 < rxr> when you think it is necessary, use a CVS snapshot ... ;-)
11:13 < jsaw> k. I'll have a deeper check.
11:13 < jsaw> Gotta do the shopping now. Cu later!
11:13 < rxr> cu
11:59 * rxr booting into linux - cu soon
12:03 < rxr> so ;-)
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12:24 < Minto> main
12:24 < Minto> moin
12:24 < Minto> df
12:30 < rxr> moin Minto
12:30 < Minto> hi rxr
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12:40 < Minto> hi mnemoc
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12:58 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:05 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5119 /trunk/package/base/isdn4k-utils/depend-fix.patch:
13:05 < CIA-9> * fix for the way isdn4k-utils generates .depend files
13:05 < CIA-9> (CPP ... *.c >.depend yields: too many input files...)
13:10 < rxr> ;-)
13:11 < jsaw> 1346 builds total, 285 completed fine, 0 with errors.
13:12 < jsaw> gone again...
13:12 < jsaw> ;)
13:36 < rxr> cu
13:52 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5120 /trunk/package/audio/nas/ (nas.conf nas.desc):
13:52 < CIA-9> * there's a strange check in usr/include/sys/cdefs.h
13:52 < CIA-9> #if defined __GNUC__ && !defined __STDC__
13:52 < CIA-9> # error "You need a ISO C conforming compiler to use the glibc headers"
13:52 < CIA-9> #endif
13:52 < CIA-9> -> adding CPPFLAGS=-D__STDC__ fixes the cpp configure detection...
13:52 < CIA-9> * correct the [U] tag
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13:53 < freddy> hi
13:55 < rxr> hi ;-)
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13:58 < rxr> we need more colorful screenshots on the homepage to atract people ;-)
13:58 < rxr> but our todays stats are quite nice - we are still on the http://distrowatch.org frontpage ...
13:59 < rxr> freddy: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+handbook
13:59 < freddy> danke
14:00 < rxr> freddy: just to see that our exactcode handbook is on the first rank ... ;-)
14:00 < mnemoc> moin!
14:00 < freddy> moin
14:00 < rxr> hi
14:01 < rxr> freddy: hm - I can not change the t2 password ..
14:01 < mnemoc> every project needs screenshots, but what can we shot?
14:01 < rxr> I forgot it asked the old one - I obviiously do not have
14:01 < rxr> kde gnome xfce
14:01 < rxr> (bootup installer)
14:01 < mnemoc> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+handbook <--- oh
14:02 < rxr> yeah - cool, he? isn't it?
14:03 < mnemoc> :D
14:04 < rxr> I hope we are still at the top place when they notice rocklinux-consulting.de is out of date
14:06 < rxr> read after the next google dance ..
14:07 < rxr> I should dump the live stream of http://www.frequence3.org/ of the day onto the disk - to have s.th. for the night when the music get's ugly there ...
14:07 < mnemoc> i think the don't track renames, so exactcode.de will need to run alone
14:07 < rxr> (and to cut'n paste the good songs ...)
14:08 < rxr> sure - I just hope exactcode.de will show up there after the next dance
14:08 < mnemoc> your elevetor radio is .org??
14:09 < rxr> http://www.frequence3.{org,com,fr}/
14:09 < rxr> or so ..
14:09 < rxr> don't care ...
14:09 < mnemoc> :)
14:10 < rxr> but the {org,com,fr} crate an invalid link in the log html ...
14:10 < rxr> so better let's expand it manually: http://www.frequence3.org/ http://www.frequence3.com/ http://www.frequence3.fr/
14:11 < mnemoc> =)
14:11 < rxr> but the elevator radio was your expressions - IIRC, I just said ambient background stuff or so ..
14:11 < mnemoc> improve log html to expand that stuff :)
14:11 < mnemoc> rxr: yeah :D i'm teasing you
14:12 < rxr> hehehe ;-) but that would not be a 1:1 log what we type them ...
14:12 < rxr> imagine we tell a user to:
14:12 < rxr> mv some-file.{lst,log} or so ...
14:13 < mnemoc> yes, we talk using globbing, but not 1:1 to shell :\
14:28 < mnemoc> can i turn a perl script into 'verbose' mode adding something like -x on bash?
14:32 < rxr> no idea :-(
14:33 < mnemoc> :(
14:44 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5121 /trunk/ (. scripts/Build-Pkg scripts/Build-Target): * replace ROCKCFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR with ROCKCFG_ABORT_ON_ERROR_STAGE to continue after a fail only after defined stage, default:5
14:47 < mnemoc> uhm
14:47 < mnemoc> that was a damn empty merge!!
14:47 < mnemoc> why the heck did it commited
14:48 * mnemoc pissed
14:48 < mnemoc> _fsck_ svk
14:49 * mnemoc removing crap from his machine
15:07 < rxr> oops - for the last days I had the wrong nexus URL in the mirror list ... on the server cgi side ...
15:08 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 61908.000
15:08 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 71661.000
15:08 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 15908.000
15:08 < rxr> nexus is now a amd64 box running freebsd ... - the thruput is now higher than the PII-450 gsmp one ...
15:08 < mnemoc> cool!
15:08 < mnemoc> nexus took the head!
15:09 < rxr> btw. does anyone object if we encode the version used during the mirror test into the Mirror file
15:09 < mnemoc> rxr: why is this wrong to rever 5121? svn merge -r5121:5120 .
15:09 < rxr> and recheck when the t2 version changed?
15:09 < mnemoc> no problem here
15:09 < rxr> the merge looks good - what it the problem
15:10 < mnemoc> it doesn't revert :)
15:10 < rxr> (we would also get more accurate usage stats due to all t2 users reget the mirror list when we bump the version - currently onyl new users leave a trace in the log file ... - constant t2 users nearly never reget the mirror ...)
15:10 < rxr> mnemoc: wasn't one revision empty ?
15:10 < rxr> with merge you only get the changes ... - if there is no diff nothign happens ...
15:10 < mnemoc> rxr: but svn diff says it has content
15:11 < rxr> ok - I check
15:11 < mnemoc> whatever 5121 did, i want to undo it
15:12 < rxr> I have no idea why accessing old verions is so slow on the current svn server used on exactcode.de
15:12 < rxr> in the past it was faster ..
15:13 < rxr> here it does stuff:
15:13 < rxr> # svn merge -r5121:5120 .
15:13 < rxr> C scripts/Build-Target
15:13 < rxr> U .
15:13 < rxr> works perfectly well
15:13 < mnemoc> svn up? :)
15:13 < rxr> aside that I was not at :HEAD ...
15:13 < mnemoc> yes?
15:14 < rxr> yes - it odes merge the stuff as intended ...
15:14 < mnemoc> can you please commit the revert and insult me?
15:14 < rxr> maybe bug in your client
15:15 < rxr> valentin: I think I have sparce 512MB or RAM lying around here - I hope they fit into the Athlon board in the exactcode.de server ...
15:18 < mnemoc> rxr: will we provide rsync updates of t2-src ?
15:20 < rxr> I did not plan to
15:20 < mnemoc> what will ./scrupts/Update-src do?
15:21 < mnemoc> svn up ?
15:21 < rxr> I mean svn:// shoudl be cheap enough - and for random users a tarball is there ...
15:21 < rxr> hm - maybe remove it
15:21 < mnemoc> ok
15:23 < CIA-9> rene * r5122 /trunk/ (. scripts/Build-Target): * reverted r5121 as requested by Alejandro
15:23 < rxr> may I remove Internal on the way ?
15:23 < mnemoc> is it used by something?
15:24 < rxr> the queston is is it used by someone ...
15:24 < rxr> I guess not ...
15:24 < mnemoc> not me :)
15:24 < rxr> I never used it for year++ ...
15:24 < rxr> maybe quickly scroll thru it and tell me if you see a use ...
15:25 < mnemoc> i'm on it :)
15:26 < mnemoc> nope, useless
15:26 < rxr> ok
15:27 < mnemoc> cvs stuff was usefull, but no cvs anymore :)
15:28 < CIA-9> rene * r5123 /trunk/scripts/ (Internal Update-Src):
15:28 < CIA-9> * removed scripts/Update-Src, which we do not support
15:28 < CIA-9> * removed scripts/Internal, noone does use (and see ned for inside
15:28 < CIA-9> our SDK)
15:28 < rxr> done
15:28 < rxr> so - source of confusion ripped out ... ,-)
15:29 < mnemoc> /topic $topic | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-beta.tar.bz2
15:29 < rxr> sure
15:29 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-beta.tar.bz2
15:30 < mnemoc> uhm.... too long
15:30 < rxr> maybe this:
15:30 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The SDK | | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED
15:30 < rxr> well
15:30 < mnemoc> SDK?
15:31 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The SDK | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-beta.tar.bz2
15:31 < rxr> hm
15:31 < mnemoc> SDK?
15:31 < rxr> ah - yeah - SDE it was ...
15:31 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The SDE | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
15:31 < mnemoc> nobody nows what SDE means :)
15:31 < mnemoc> knows*
15:31 < rxr> then they will be curious and ask ;-)
15:32 < mnemoc> *g*
15:32 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-beta.tar.bz2
15:32 < rxr> or so ?
15:33 < mnemoc> T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of system building enviroments | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
15:33 < mnemoc> T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
15:33 < rxr> this does not fit on usual 80 col. screens ...
15:34 < mnemoc> :\
15:34 < rxr> but just set it ;-)
15:34 < mnemoc> you like it?
15:34 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
15:34 < mnemoc> it fits on my 1024x768 :)
15:37 < rxr> hehe
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15:54 < mipe> hi,are there any known issues when building t2 on fc3?
15:54 < rxr> ouhm - we have not tried yet, I think ... ;-)
15:54 < rxr> do you got one, or do you wanted to ask before starting ?
15:56 < mipe> i have installed fc3 amd64, and i want to build t2 for amd64, but first i want to get 32bit build first. i'm still redownloading some of the sources. but i got segfaults on Build-Target on first try
15:58 < mipe> fc3 x86_64 isnt very stable. i get freezes from time to time.
15:58 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5124 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * updated clip (1.1.12-113 -> 1.1.13-1)
15:59 < rxr> mipe: ouhm - it would be very very cool if you could do build t2 for amd64 - but we aware that no core developer had constant amd64 hardware so far
15:59 < rxr> you might need to do some fixes on the way ...
16:00 < rxr> so I can currently only suggest that if you are a developer and can patch some package on the way ...
16:00 < mnemoc> mipe: are you using trunk:HEAD ?
16:00 < mipe> yeah, i'm willing to test & fix along the way but firstly i want to get stable os first. i prolly need 32bit version installed first
16:00 < mipe> yeah using trunk:HEAD
16:01 < mipe> there isnt any iso download from t2?
16:01 < rxr> not yet - for beta2 we will provide x86 and powerpc
16:01 < rxr> and maybe sparc64 in january
16:02 < mnemoc> mipe: if you are using trunk:HEAD you can keep showing us your error messages, we see how to fix it, you patch, test, blah.... and we, together get t2 for amd64 building :)
16:03 < mipe> yeah :)
16:03 < mnemoc> mipe: try to build a native generic/minimal first
16:05 < mipe> i prolly have to download a 32bit from somewhere,this fc3 isnt stable enough to use.
16:06 < rxr> (you could download my latest ROCK ISO before I forked off t2 ... ;-)
16:06 < mipe> url plz
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: how usable is a 'cross-built' generic?
16:06 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.1/desktop/
16:07 < rxr> well - enough to continue buliding t2 ... ;-)
16:07 < rxr> basic console and toolchain stuff available ...
16:07 < mipe> thanks for the url
16:17 * mnemoc building a cross-amd64
16:17 < rxr> ;-)
16:18 < mnemoc> i only have ia32 here but i guess $someone may want to test it :)
16:19 < Minto> amd64 build is interesting
16:19 < mnemoc> i can make it build, but not test it running
16:19 < mipe> mnemoc:i'll test it
16:19 < Minto> I just ordered hardware: dual opteron 244 with 1Tb harddisk
16:20 < Minto> me test too, once I have the hardware
16:20 < mnemoc> mipe: a cross-build here is just a base to start building native
16:20 < mnemoc> mipe: don't expect anything fancy
16:39 < mnemoc> .oO( how can be urxvt so much better than gnome-temrinal )o
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17:22 < freedy> re
17:24 < mnemoc> rxr: bad news, cross-atholon64 and cross-g3 failed to pass 1-glibc, the first due to glibc trying to execute amd64 code on p4 adn the last due to loooooot of undefines :\ i guess i'll go to lunch first
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17:42 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5125 /trunk/misc/archive/showdeps.sh: * adds showdeps.sh, a simple script to dig into package dependencies
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18:27 < maddin> hi
18:32 < rxr> hi maddin
18:32 < rxr> the martin I know ?
18:33 < maddin> he he, yes.
18:33 < rxr> this is your new official nick =
18:33 < rxr> ? even ...
18:34 < maddin> can i have a binary copy from your ppc mplayer?
18:34 < mnemoc> re
18:34 < mnemoc> martin rip?
18:34 < maddin> no, I have start xchat and there stand maddin, ... hmmm
18:35 < maddin> rip? a copy of all mplayer files or as a gem package. It will not run on my iBook
18:35 < freedy> hi maddin
18:36 < maddin> hi freedy :-D
18:36 < mnemoc> Rest In Peace
18:36 < rxr> maddin: I already do - but no .gem - just a .tar
18:36 < maddin> rxr, it's okay, thanks
18:37 < rxr> ec-outpost.dyndns.org/mplayer-ppc-2004-12-18.tar.bz2
18:37 < mnemoc> what happened to the idea of implement the package manager as an extension of libtar?
18:37 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/mplayer-ppc-2004-12-18.tar.bz2
18:37 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.2 or so ..
18:37 < rxr> but we will remove mine
18:37 < rxr> (at least I think this was consensus)
18:37 < mnemoc> uhm? gem without mine?
18:37 < rxr> no .gem
18:38 < rxr> plain .tar files ..
18:38 < mnemoc> ok
18:38 < rxr> maddin: the url is hand written - may include a typo - co
18:38 < maddin> I think gem is cool?! Hmmm, I don't know
18:38 < rxr> mplain when it does not work
18:38 < mnemoc> why gem is cool?
18:38 < mnemoc> cool name?
18:39 < rxr> you still get some (BSD compatible) pkg-add mplayer-1.0.x.y.tar.bz2 and pkg-del or what the name was
18:39 < rxr> just not the ugly mine ...
18:39 < rxr> and you can use any tar on the package ;-)
18:39 < rxr> and when you wanna have another compression you do not need to hack it into mine ...
18:40 < rxr> currently I would like to support .lzo compression and the 7zip s.th. ... - I continously forget the name ...
18:40 < mnemoc> mine would be nicer with a libgem
18:40 < mnemoc> .7z :)
18:40 < rxr> we should think very hard about it - we should come up with s.th. that does scale about the whole use-case range
18:41 < rxr> e.g. currently you have to use ./scripts/ for the build from source case and mien for the install binary case
18:41 < mnemoc> yep
18:41 < rxr> I think thre should be some better integration
18:42 < mnemoc> for 2.2 we won't need to _drop_ .gem, just make .tar.bz2 the default
18:42 < mnemoc> any bigger change i guess shall go to 3.x
18:42 < mnemoc> imho
18:42 < rxr> ;-)
18:42 < mnemoc> imvHo :p
18:46 < maddin> root@julia:/tmp# mplayer
18:46 < maddin> MPlayer 1.0pre5try2-3.2.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
18:46 < maddin> Ung?ltiger Maschinenbefehl (core dumped)
18:46 < rxr> hm
18:46 < maddin> Okay, I have some other problems with mplayer :(
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: what /etc name do you suggest for a list a autoconnect essid-s ?
18:46 < rxr> intersting
18:47 < daja77> hm mplayer-1.0pre5try2 works here
18:49 < rxr> daja77: maddin is on powerpc ...
18:49 < rxr> maddin: you run my 2.6.8 kernel, hm?
18:49 < daja77> oh ok
18:50 < rxr> otherwise I would have said it is a kernel bug ..
18:50 < rxr> I had some altivec problem with 2.4 ...
18:50 < rxr> hm - or maybe it was only recently fixed in 2.6.9 ... ?
18:51 < daja77> .oO (pre5try2 is a crap name)
18:54 < maddin> rxr, 2.6.8.1-martin. But mplayer work with this kernel
18:54 < mnemoc> anything ^.*try. sucks
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - they should have bumped the version or added .1 or so ..
18:55 < rxr> well - anyway the mplayer people are a bit strange ...
18:55 < rxr> ah - I know
18:56 < rxr> I bet in your custom kernel Altivec support is not enable ...
18:56 < rxr> this is why the illegal instruction trap does not work reliable I guess ...
18:57 < maddin> But mplayer work all time. Since pre5try2 it will not start.
19:03 < rxr> maddin: but I recently fixed the t2 package to include more altivec code ..
19:03 < rxr> in the past I just disabled all altivec stuff since it did not build ...
19:04 < mnemoc> rxr: do you like /etc/network/valid_networks ?
19:04 < rxr> now most of the altivec stuff (except the lines I found too ugly to fix) are enabled ...
19:04 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - what about netmap or so ..
19:04 < mnemoc> ok
19:04 < rxr> oh wait
19:05 < rxr> it is /etc/mactab - maybe we should use nettab ?
19:05 < mnemoc> /etc/nettab ? /etc/network/nettab ?
19:05 < rxr> for now /etc/network/nettab
19:06 < rxr> but we wanted to move the config stuff from those into /etc/conf - and remove the code to some /*sbin dir ...
19:06 < mnemoc> ok
19:08 < maddin> root@julia:/usr/src/linux# grep ALTIVEC .config
19:08 < maddin> CONFIG_ALTIVEC=y
19:09 < rxr> hm ...
19:09 < rxr> then most probably a bug in combination of your glibc / gcc you have on that old ROCK system
19:10 < mnemoc> who is julia? :)
19:15 < maddin> okay, I will waiting. Waiting of a answer from Apple, too :(
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19:37 < madtux> hi
19:38 < madtux> so i have another path with a few updates and fixes
19:38 < mnemoc> madtux!
19:38 < madtux> hola mnemoc
19:38 < mnemoc> madtux: will you be on michelazzo's talk?
19:39 < madtux> why?
19:39 < madtux> mnemoc: i don't i will.
19:39 < madtux> i don't think i will*
19:40 < daja77> moin madtux
19:40 < madtux> hello daja77 :) how nice to see you here
19:40 < madtux> mnemoc: ?
19:40 < daja77> madtux: i joined many chans
19:44 < mnemoc> re
19:45 < mnemoc> madtux: 10 minutes left :)
19:46 < madtux> :)
19:47 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5126 /trunk/package/network/wireless-tools/rocknet_wireless.sh: * implement iwdetect on rocknet, to autoconfigure a detected network from the list. (lot too improve)
19:47 < mnemoc> comments please?
19:51 * mnemoc moving to office
19:55 < madtux> ok me fui
19:55 < madtux> i mean
19:55 < madtux> cya
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20:18 < mnemoc> re
20:24 < rxr> re
20:37 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5127 /trunk/package/develop/hdf5/hdf5.desc:
20:37 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
20:37 < CIA-9> * Updated hdf5 ( 1.6.2 > 1.6.3 )
20:39 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5128 /trunk/package/develop/motor/motor.desc:
20:39 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
20:39 < CIA-9> * Updated motor ( 3.2.4 > 3.3.0 )
20:41 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5129 /trunk/package/e16/eterm16/eterm16.desc:
20:41 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
20:41 < CIA-9> * Updated eterm16 ( 0.9.2 > 0.9.3 )
20:41 < CIA-9> * Updated eterm16's libast ( 0.5 > 0.6.1 )
20:45 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5130 /trunk/package/develop/paragui/paragui.desc:
20:45 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
20:45 < CIA-9> * Fixed paragui download URL
20:48 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5131 /trunk/package/dictionary/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
20:48 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
20:48 < CIA-9> * Updated download URL for aspell-de aspell-en aspell-es and aspell-fr
21:03 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5132 /trunk/package/editors/jed/jed.desc:
21:03 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
21:03 < CIA-9> * Fixed version of jed
21:09 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5133 /trunk/package/editors/hexedit/hexedit.desc:
21:09 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
21:09 < CIA-9> * Updated hexedit ( 1.2.3 > 1.2.10 )
21:10 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5134 /trunk/package/dictionary/gjiten/gjiten.desc:
21:10 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
21:10 < CIA-9> * Updated gjiten ( 2.1 > 2.3 )
21:19 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5135 /trunk/package/dictionary/xjdic23/xjdic23.desc:
21:19 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos :
21:19 < CIA-9> * xjdic23 dictionaries updated: edict (20041210) and kanjidic (20040814)
21:42 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5136 /trunk/package/base/runit/runit.desc: * Updated runit (1.1.0 -> 1.2.0)
21:44 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5137 /trunk/scripts/functions: * introduce hostid and ip link as methods to get a unique identifier host dependant. (get_unique)
21:46 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5138 /trunk/package/ (27 files in 27 dirs): * add checksums based on files on mirror
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22:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5139 /trunk/package/database/postgresql/postgresql.desc: * Updated postgresql (8.0.0beta5 -> 8.0.0rc1)
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22:30 < jsaw> re
22:30 < jsaw> oh, t2 on symlink
22:31 < jsaw> hmmmm, wikipedia entry....
22:31 < rxr> wow - really?
22:31 < rxr> finally ...
22:31 < rxr> I submitted it days ago ...
22:31 < jsaw> funny commentary!
22:32 < mnemoc> which entry on wikipedia?
22:32 < jsaw> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2
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22:33 < mnemoc> de :)
22:34 < rxr> crazzy - I just noticed the wikipedia entry, too
22:34 < rxr> this is amazing ..
22:34 < rxr> and it was not me who did that ... ;-)!
22:34 < jsaw> I know.... :)
22:35 < rxr> somehow our PR work does do quite well ;-)
22:35 < rxr> jsaw: it was you ?
22:36 < jsaw> no. But the last sentence made me think it was "xtaran"
22:36 < rxr> this is crazzy ...
22:36 < rxr> we could fill i the T2_Projekt entry there ... ;-)
22:36 < mnemoc> who is XTaran?
22:36 < jsaw> the guy who made the symlink.ch entry
22:36 < mnemoc> =)
22:36 < jsaw> last sentence:
22:36 < rxr> mnemoc: seems some moderator on http://symlink.ch
22:37 < rxr> cool - cool - cool ...
22:37 < jsaw> xtaran will continue to think of T2 of something different
22:37 < jsaw> T2 linked to the wikipedia entry
22:37 < rxr> + my one problematic scanner delivered it's first data over the USB connection ...
22:37 < jsaw> something different linked to the VW T2 van.
22:37 < mnemoc> =)
22:38 < mnemoc> DBK/SDE needs an entry on wikipedia
22:38 < rxr> yep ;-)
22:38 < mnemoc> we can't sell a product if people don't know what it is for
22:39 < rxr> yep
22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: did you saw what i did on network/modules/wireless.sh ?
22:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: ^^^
22:41 < mnemoc> it has _lot_ to be done, but it is a begining
22:42 < jsaw> no.
22:42 < rxr> only the commit message
22:42 < rxr> not the code - yet
22:42 * jsaw has no wireless card
22:42 < jsaw> ... and thus no idea about its setup...
22:43 < mnemoc> :\
22:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I can take a look soon
22:44 < rxr> first I want to thow some more random data into the scanner in the hoepe I find the bits it need to be different to work properly ...
22:44 < rxr> I already got it from freezing to yielding some corrupted data ...
22:44 < rxr> (although accumulated this took nearly 8h+5d of work)
22:45 < mnemoc> oh
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23:09 < rxr> hi freddy
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23:36 < freddy> hi
23:39 < rxr> freddy: http://symlink.ch ;-)
23:40 < freddy> hehe
23:40 < rxr> way cooler is the link to wikipedia when you click on the "more" or so link ...
23:41 < rxr> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2
23:45 < mnemoc> which is the "more" boton?
23:45 < rxr> button even ...
23:45 < mnemoc> :)
23:45 < mnemoc> which is the "more" button?
23:46 < rxr> I meant symlink. it leads to this page:
23:46 < rxr> http://www.symlink.ch/articles/04/12/18/132252.shtml
23:46 < mnemoc> aaaa.... ok, i was looking for a more on wikipedia :p
23:46 < rxr> the "button" on the front page is labbeled "Mehr ..."
23:46 < rxr> labelled ... or so even ...
23:48 < mnemoc> what do you think about 'using' the VW bus as logo?
23:49 < maddin> *lol*
23:49 < rxr> yeah - *lol*
23:49 < maddin> T1 is very cool, but T2 ...
23:49 < mnemoc> =)
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