--- Log opened Wed Nov 24 00:00:11 2004 00:12 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [] 00:14 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 00:28 < rxr> you can download Blender 2.35 for all platforms. 00:28 < rxr> ^- packaging anyone? 00:29 < mnemoc> blender is not pacakged? 00:30 < valentin> i think he meant updating 00:32 < rxr> ok ok 00:32 < rxr> package updating anyone? ;-) 00:32 < mnemoc> i can update it but not test :\ 00:32 < mnemoc> my current builds doesn't have graphic stuff 00:32 < rxr> hehe 00:33 < rxr> I meant including testing 00:33 < rxr> blender has strange regressions in each version ... 00:33 < rxr> I try an update ... 00:41 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 00:42 < rxr> hm - had to delete some junks from the varios compile fixes ... 00:43 < mnemoc> kensai: who won? 00:44 < kensai> mnemoc, it is paralyzed now 00:44 < mnemoc> why?? 00:45 < kensai> Rosello is fighting for the rights of a recount 00:45 < mnemoc> again? 00:46 < kensai> yep because he believes anibal is stealing elections 00:47 < rxr> hans reiser: 00:47 < rxr> "Apologies, things have been hectic at Namesys. " 00:47 < kensai> Rosello was governor for 8 years then he retired and the oposing team won and now he returns again 00:47 < rxr> :-( 00:48 < kensai> If he wins He'll go for the 12 years as governor 00:49 < kensai> and Puerto Rico could become the 51 state 00:50 < mnemoc> do you want to me 'american'? 00:50 < kensai> maybe 00:50 < kensai> we are americans already 00:51 < kensai> but not completly a state 00:53 < kensai> but If we become Independent then we will suffer just like Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela and Dominican Republic 00:54 < rxr> !> : undefined reference to `ov_clear' 00:54 < rxr> ... 00:54 < rxr> == 11/24/04 00:52:46 =[5]=> Aborted building package blender. 00:56 < rxr> our commit chart starts to become quite impressive : 00:56 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/svn.png 00:57 < valentin> you should average over 14 days to flatten those clifford peaks 00:57 < valentin> so - as i wrote in differnet channels now: gn8 00:57 < rxr> haha 00:58 < rxr> n8 valentin 00:58 * rxr off in some secs, too 00:58 * rxr wonders what's up with the other project - no commits for many days ... 00:58 < kensai> mnemoc, where are you from? 00:58 < mnemoc> chile 00:59 < kensai> and which is the political state there? 00:59 < mnemoc> what do you mean? 00:59 < kensai> independent? 01:00 < mnemoc> we believe that :) 01:00 < kensai> LOL 01:00 < kensai> something funny is that when Rosello returned last year everybody was claming the messiah has come ones again 01:01 < mnemoc> hehe 01:02 < kensai> he was living in the states teaching at Harvard Univ. and he decided to return 01:03 < mnemoc> teaching what? 01:03 < kensai> that i don't know 01:03 < kensai> but hes a doctor 01:03 < kensai> he may be teaching something like medicine 01:05 < mnemoc> ic 01:05 < kensai> the independent team here gets 2% of the votes, there are like 3 millions people that votes 01:05 < mnemoc> the king was returned, and he will recover his trown 01:07 < kensai> but I belive not even being a state can do us any better, I see E.U. falling in a short time 01:07 * rxr currently resyncing the mp3 and ogg/vorbis files @ http://www.falk-huebner.de/audio.html 01:08 < rxr> have fun folks - /me off into bed 01:08 < mnemoc> gn8 rene 01:09 < kensai> mnemoc, in which distro are you using t2? 01:10 < kensai> I saw rock Linux got an update 01:10 < mnemoc> over a rock-2.0 01:10 < mnemoc> rock-2.0-mnemoc to be precise 01:11 < kensai> lol 01:11 < kensai> hehe 01:12 < kensai> I have debian sid now I'll see if I can run t2 now 01:12 < kensai> In Ubuntu I couldn't 01:12 < mnemoc> why? 01:13 < rxr> there is even already blender 2.35a upgrade available ... 01:13 < rxr> but me in bed now ... 01:14 < mnemoc> sleep well rxr 01:15 < kensai> mnemoc, I think subversion is broken in ubuntu 01:38 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Debian Rulez"] 01:43 < mnemoc> amazing 342 files where removed from linux 2.6 between .7 and .9 02:24 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.43] has joined #t2 02:27 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.48] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:27 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 02:42 -!- _martin [~martin@brln-d9ba26e5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:07 -!- MubeX [~MuBeX@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has joined #t2 03:37 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 03:55 -!- _martin [~martin@brln-d9ba26a1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 03:56 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Debian Rulez"] 03:58 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 04:15 -!- MubeX [~MuBeX@65-23-199-247.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:03 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Debian Rulez"] 10:37 < _martin> moin 10:49 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.249.53.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:49 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 10:49 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004] 10:49 [Users #t2] 10:49 [ _martin ] [ CIA-9] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tschmidt_] 10:49 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 10:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 10:49 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 10:49 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 10:50 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 10:58 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.221.133.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:22 < rxr_> We are pleased to invite you to attend a free Mac OS X Tiger 11:22 < rxr_> Developer Briefing being held in Munich on Tuesday, 14th December or 11:22 < rxr_> in Berlin on Wednesday, 15th December. 11:22 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:23 < rxr> ^- too bad they most probably do not want to pay the travel costs ... 11:23 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has joined #t2 11:23 < rxr> moin 11:23 < rxr> 160 builds total, 160 completed fine, 0 with errors. 11:23 < rxr> ^- install 11:35 -!- kensai [~kensai@64.237.129.108] has quit ["Debian Rulez"] 11:48 < rxr> mirror still catching up ... 11:48 < rxr> 558.17 kBit/s 12:13 -!- mipe [~pmika@aapo.japo.fi] has joined #t2 12:13 < mipe> anyone awake? 12:19 < rxr> sure 12:20 < mipe> i'm getting amd64 and didnt find status report of t2 on that arch,stable? 12:20 < rxr> welcome mipe 12:21 < rxr> sorry - this is not stable, because we have no amd64 to play, yet ... 12:21 < rxr> but it should build (I hope at least) 12:21 < rxr> you are very welcome to build and improve some things 12:22 < mipe> hmm,oh ok,i'll try to build it,but i need some instructions to do it,need to check website if it has any. but no hurry i'm getting the new hd in week or so, so i start testing it after that 12:36 -!- tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@p508EACB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:36 * rxr off getting breakfast rolls ... 12:36 < rxr> cu 12:38 * mipe is away at class(electronics) 12:47 < mnemoc> moin 13:08 < mipe> hmm,whats the build time of generic/desktop? 13:08 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:10 < mnemoc> mipe: a couple of days? 13:12 < mipe> oh,on what kind of hardware? 13:12 < mnemoc> single p4, ide, lot of ram :) 13:12 < mnemoc> well not lot of ram.... only 1G 13:17 < rxr> re 13:17 < mipe> hmm,what should i consider to improve build process,i currently(ordered) sata hd,my motherboard supports raid,so does it improve build process if i get second hd for it. i mean performance and cost wise 13:17 < mipe> i mean is it worth it 13:17 < rxr> i would not use el-cheapo mainbaord RIAD .. 13:18 < rxr> i/o thruput is also only a tiny help - I estimate under 20% of the build time are i/o bound ... 13:18 < rxr> a amd64 is already quite fast - do not worry about the build time right now ... 13:18 < rxr> for a tiny discussion see this recent post: 13:18 < mnemoc> build on tempfs might be the best choice 13:19 < rxr> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/143 13:19 < rxr> hm - for direct links you don't get navigation :-( 13:19 < rxr> so use this url 13:19 < rxr> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel 13:20 < rxr> and scroll to "the Ultimate T2 Build Server" yourself ... 13:20 < rxr> e.g. this mail should be interesting: 13:20 < rxr> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/149 13:21 * rxr off to some freinds helping relocating ... - cu later 13:21 < mipe> thanks for the links 13:21 < mnemoc> cu rene 13:30 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EACB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:56 -!- mipe [~pmika@aapo.japo.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:01 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has joined #t2 14:01 < praenti> hi 14:09 < mnemoc> hi praenti 14:45 -!- sparc-kly [~xlinux@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 14:48 -!- sparc-kly [~xlinux@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:04 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EACB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 17:09 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EACB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:12 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4827 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (config.in ooo.conf ooo.desc setup-use-bz2.patch): 17:12 < CIA-9> * update ooo-build (1.3.5.5 -> 1.3.6) 17:12 < CIA-9> and thus OOO (1.1.3_fix2 -> 1.1.3) 17:12 < CIA-9> * fix scripts and add patches so that the Ximian build scripts 17:12 < CIA-9> at least start unpacking the sources ... 18:36 < rxr> re 18:36 < rxr> damn puffed out now .. 19:02 -!- kensai [~kensai@66-50-123-220.prtc.net] has joined #t2 19:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4828 /trunk/package/base/tree/ (gcc34.patch tree.desc): * updated tree (1.4b3 -> 1.5.0) 19:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4829 /trunk/package/base/miscfiles/miscfiles.desc: * updated miscfiles (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2) 19:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4830 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/3.00pl1.patch.xpdf: * added xpdf 3.00pl1.patch - SECURITY 19:12 < CIA-9> rene * r4831 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: * updated file (4.07 -> 4.11) 19:25 < rxr> ok - me quickshowering and off for milk 19:31 -!- kensai [~kensai@66-50-123-220.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:43 < CIA-9> rene * r4832 /trunk/package/ (graphic/blender/ multimedia/blender/): * moved graphic/blender into multimedia 19:55 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:55 < Minto> moin 19:59 < rxr> moin minto 19:59 < Minto> Hi rxr, how was the weekend with your parents? 20:01 < rxr> oh - quite well ... 20:01 < rxr> I have not as much panic as mnemoc showed :-) 20:02 < rxr> how are you? 20:02 < Minto> I am fine thank you 20:02 < Minto> over here we just celebrated our 5th wedding anniversary 20:03 < rxr> oh! congratulations! 20:03 < Minto> thanx 20:04 < Minto> how is the search for a trouble ticketing system progressing? 20:06 < rxr> well - due to all the other work going on I have not even found a second to look at any ... 20:07 < Minto> It's a pity, I think gforge is pretty cool 20:07 < Minto> gforge is a fork form the time that sourceforge was still open source 20:08 < Minto> s/form/from 20:08 < rxr> ah - I visited the gforce site - it is based on the sourcefoge code base, isn't it? 20:08 < rxr> ah - yeah 20:09 < Minto> For T2 is would allow to have additional targets as separate projects. 20:09 < rxr> in this can it already has many negative points on my list - I really do not like working with the sourceforge site and have to use the debian source forge a-like and do not feel that comfortable with it ... 20:09 < rxr> the debian one is http://alioth.debian.org 20:10 < Minto> the debian site seems to be GForge as well. 20:11 < rxr> yes, just noticed that, too ... 20:11 < rxr> but I really have not much time for that right now 20:11 < Minto> okay 20:11 < rxr> feel free to discuss and compare them on the list or so - so other can contribute ideas and comments ... 20:12 < Minto> I will 20:13 < rxr> I have to use the debian site for working on SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) 20:13 < rxr> and I really do not like the work flow and the interface ... 20:13 < Minto> Just another question, is it necessary to do a full rebuild of a target after an svn update? 20:14 < rxr> no - normally now 20:14 < rxr> not even 20:15 < rxr> only if intrusive changes have been done - like e.g. changing the kde or gnome pathes - like I did some days ago .. 20:15 < rxr> but this does not happen that often ... 20:15 < rxr> for compiler updates of course, too 20:15 < rxr> but nor for normal fixes or pkg updates ... 20:15 < Minto> I get the following message in creating 2nd filesystem (target is bootdisk): 20:15 < Minto> !> `- Not found in $package_map: grub 20:15 < rxr> yes 20:16 < rxr> this is a warning ... 20:16 < rxr> a note for some developer to add it ... 20:16 < rxr> but IIRC I already disabled grub for the bootdisk target ... are you at HEAD? 20:17 < Minto> I think so 20:17 < Minto> I also have the following message 20:17 < Minto> home/t2/trunk/misc/isomd5sum/md5.c:255: warning: statement with no effect 20:17 < Minto> a lot of times with differing line numbers. 20:18 < rxr> yes - the later is a known bug ... 20:18 < rxr> see the last post on the mailing list ... 20:18 < rxr> I hope to have some secs to analyze this tonight ... 20:19 < Minto> I am at revision 4832 20:20 < rxr> and you get the grub warning with that HEAD revision? 20:21 < Minto> seems like it 20:21 < Minto> the same for joe and libol 20:21 < rxr> yes know 20:21 < rxr> ok - I fix them when I'm at the diet problem 20:23 < Minto> OK 20:24 < Minto> for generic I get a chroot error while building tools ... tools.cross 20:24 < Minto> chroot: bin/bash: No such file or directory 20:27 < rxr> what are your build errors so far for the generic build? 20:29 < Minto> I had none before the chroot one 20:29 < Minto> also this time I am building without any optimizations. 20:40 -!- daja77 [[hfOsKdTkh@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #t2 20:54 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53621 20:56 < daja77> nice 20:57 < rxr> Die Abspielpausen zwischen zwei Titeln liegen deutlich unter einer Sekunde. 20:57 < rxr> ^- uh? I expect not a single sample gap between two tracks ... 20:57 < rxr> stange ... 20:57 < rxr> hi daja77 20:57 < rxr> strange even ... 21:15 < rxr> ok - first mirror synced 21:15 < rxr> wrote 17193 bytes read 1749050147 bytes 24935.91 bytes/sec 21:15 < rxr> total size is 2654925828 speedup is 1.52 21:15 < rxr> daja77: how is your life? 21:16 < daja77> quite exciting 21:16 < daja77> i've been to berlin this weekend 21:16 < rxr> oh - nice 21:17 < daja77> join a UN ICT meeting at the german foreign office 21:18 < rxr> the what? 21:18 < daja77> united nations information and communication technology taskforce ... 21:18 < rxr> ah - how do you got to that - and what is your "job"? 21:19 < daja77> someone i know from the net asked me if i could be there for him, because he had to work that day 21:20 < daja77> my "job" was to speak about free software to the participants and get some contacts 21:20 < rxr> aha 21:21 < rxr> ok - mirror stuff working so far 21:21 < rxr> wrote 121 bytes read 6454389 bytes 48713.28 bytes/sec 21:21 < rxr> total size is 2661330894 speedup is 412.32 21:21 < daja77> quite nice discussing free software in development countries with a who representative ;) 21:24 < daja77> and for now i am still looking for a place to stay for the time of the c3 21:27 < valentin> daja77: i do not know yet if i am in Berlin all three days 21:28 < rxr> ah - that c3 - /me 'll not be there ... 21:28 < rxr> my plan is to see old friends again and such - real life and so on ... 21:29 < daja77> yeah heard of that ;) 21:46 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:51 < CIA-9> rene * r4833 /trunk/package/audio/nas/nas.desc: * updated nas (1.6g -> 1.7) - old download file vanished ..., 21:57 < rxr> ok - tried again to get us on distrowatch ... 21:58 -!- tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@pD95F868E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:20 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@p508EACB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:33 < rxr> haha: 22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: Chris Hamilton 22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: unmaintained 22:33 < rxr> or another: 22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: unmaintained 22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: Theis Peter Hansen 22:34 < rxr> I would have used some more brain work to get those flags substituted a bit more inteligently ... 22:34 < rxr> ;-) 22:34 < rxr> clifford does not even know what he did himself 22:35 < rxr> on the package list html files he claims the buildtime is in seconds 22:35 < rxr> which of course it is not ... 22:35 < rxr> then ogg-vorbis would need 237 minutes to compile ... 22:35 < rxr> over three hours ... 22:35 < rxr> well well .. 22:36 < rxr> and all the bugs on the .net page are still not fixed - athough I begged him for months alaready when I was still at ROCK ... 22:38 < rxr> oh my - the bash .desc parser is so slow ... 22:51 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:01 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 23:02 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F868E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 23:17 < CIA-9> rene * r4834 /trunk/package/alpha/aboot/aboot.desc: * some tiny aboot.desc textual tweaks 23:22 < CIA-9> rene * r4835 /trunk/package/alpha/aboot/aboot.desc: * some more aboot.desc redundant text removal 23:27 < CIA-9> rene * r4836 /trunk/package/archiver/bzip2/bzip2.desc: 23:27 < CIA-9> * updated bzip2 [U] tag - and removed the CV tag, since that trival 23:27 < CIA-9> cases should be automatically handled by the update checker 23:28 -!- tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@pD95F868E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:46 < rxr> I'm working on getting a package matrix online: 23:46 < rxr> example: http://www.exactcode.de/t2/packages/dietlibc.html 23:46 < rxr> work in progress ... --- Log closed Thu Nov 25 00:00:27 2004