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00:28 < rxr> you can download Blender 2.35 for all platforms.
00:28 < rxr> ^- packaging anyone?
00:29 < mnemoc> blender is not pacakged?
00:30 < valentin> i think he meant updating
00:32 < rxr> ok ok
00:32 < rxr> package updating anyone? ;-)
00:32 < mnemoc> i can update it but not test :\
00:32 < mnemoc> my current builds doesn't have graphic stuff
00:32 < rxr> hehe
00:33 < rxr> I meant including testing
00:33 < rxr> blender has strange regressions in each version ...
00:33 < rxr> I try an update ...
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00:42 < rxr> hm - had to delete some junks from the varios compile fixes ...
00:43 < mnemoc> kensai: who won?
00:44 < kensai> mnemoc, it is paralyzed now
00:44 < mnemoc> why??
00:45 < kensai> Rosello is fighting for the rights of a recount
00:45 < mnemoc> again?
00:46 < kensai> yep because he believes anibal is stealing elections
00:47 < rxr> hans reiser:
00:47 < rxr> "Apologies, things have been hectic at Namesys. "
00:47 < kensai> Rosello was governor for 8 years then he retired and the oposing team won and now he returns again
00:47 < rxr> :-(
00:48 < kensai> If he wins He'll go for the 12 years as governor
00:49 < kensai> and Puerto Rico could become the 51 state
00:50 < mnemoc> do you want to me 'american'?
00:50 < kensai> maybe
00:50 < kensai> we are americans already
00:51 < kensai> but not completly a state
00:53 < kensai> but If we become Independent then we will suffer just like Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela and Dominican Republic
00:54 < rxr> !> : undefined reference to `ov_clear'
00:54 < rxr> ...
00:54 < rxr> == 11/24/04 00:52:46 =[5]=> Aborted building package blender.
00:56 < rxr> our commit chart starts to become quite impressive :
00:56 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/svn.png
00:57 < valentin> you should average over 14 days to flatten those clifford peaks
00:57 < valentin> so - as i wrote in differnet channels now: gn8
00:57 < rxr> haha
00:58 < rxr> n8 valentin
00:58 * rxr off in some secs, too
00:58 * rxr wonders what's up with the other project - no commits for many days ...
00:58 < kensai> mnemoc, where are you from?
00:58 < mnemoc> chile
00:59 < kensai> and which is the political state there?
00:59 < mnemoc> what do you mean?
00:59 < kensai> independent?
01:00 < mnemoc> we believe that :)
01:00 < kensai> LOL
01:00 < kensai> something funny is that when Rosello returned last year everybody was claming the messiah has come ones again
01:01 < mnemoc> hehe
01:02 < kensai> he was living in the states teaching at Harvard Univ. and he decided to return
01:03 < mnemoc> teaching what?
01:03 < kensai> that i don't know
01:03 < kensai> but hes a doctor
01:03 < kensai> he may be teaching something like medicine
01:05 < mnemoc> ic
01:05 < kensai> the independent team here gets 2% of the votes, there are like 3 millions people that votes
01:05 < mnemoc> the king was returned, and he will recover his trown
01:07 < kensai> but I belive not even being a state can do us any better, I see E.U. falling in a short time
01:07 * rxr currently resyncing the mp3 and ogg/vorbis files @ http://www.falk-huebner.de/audio.html
01:08 < rxr> have fun folks - /me off into bed
01:08 < mnemoc> gn8 rene
01:09 < kensai> mnemoc, in which distro are you using t2?
01:10 < kensai> I saw rock Linux got an update
01:10 < mnemoc> over a rock-2.0
01:10 < mnemoc> rock-2.0-mnemoc to be precise
01:11 < kensai> lol
01:11 < kensai> hehe
01:12 < kensai> I have debian sid now I'll see if I can run t2 now
01:12 < kensai> In Ubuntu I couldn't
01:12 < mnemoc> why?
01:13 < rxr> there is even already blender 2.35a upgrade available ...
01:13 < rxr> but me in bed now ...
01:14 < mnemoc> sleep well rxr
01:15 < kensai> mnemoc, I think subversion is broken in ubuntu
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01:43 < mnemoc> amazing 342 files where removed from linux 2.6 between .7 and .9
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10:37 < _martin> moin
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10:49 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
10:49 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004]
10:49 [Users #t2]
10:49 [ _martin ] [ CIA-9] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tschmidt_]
10:49 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
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11:22 < rxr_> We are pleased to invite you to attend a free Mac OS X Tiger
11:22 < rxr_> Developer Briefing being held in Munich on Tuesday, 14th December or
11:22 < rxr_> in Berlin on Wednesday, 15th December.
11:22 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:23 < rxr> ^- too bad they most probably do not want to pay the travel costs ...
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11:23 < rxr> moin
11:23 < rxr> 160 builds total, 160 completed fine, 0 with errors.
11:23 < rxr> ^- install
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11:48 < rxr> mirror still catching up ...
11:48 < rxr> 558.17 kBit/s
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12:13 < mipe> anyone awake?
12:19 < rxr> sure
12:20 < mipe> i'm getting amd64 and didnt find status report of t2 on that arch,stable?
12:20 < rxr> welcome mipe
12:21 < rxr> sorry - this is not stable, because we have no amd64 to play, yet ...
12:21 < rxr> but it should build (I hope at least)
12:21 < rxr> you are very welcome to build and improve some things
12:22 < mipe> hmm,oh ok,i'll try to build it,but i need some instructions to do it,need to check website if it has any. but no hurry i'm getting the new hd in week or so, so i start testing it after that
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12:36 * rxr off getting breakfast rolls ...
12:36 < rxr> cu
12:38 * mipe is away at class(electronics)
12:47 < mnemoc> moin
13:08 < mipe> hmm,whats the build time of generic/desktop?
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13:10 < mnemoc> mipe: a couple of days?
13:12 < mipe> oh,on what kind of hardware?
13:12 < mnemoc> single p4, ide, lot of ram :)
13:12 < mnemoc> well not lot of ram.... only 1G
13:17 < rxr> re
13:17 < mipe> hmm,what should i consider to improve build process,i currently(ordered) sata hd,my motherboard supports raid,so does it improve build process if i get second hd for it. i mean performance and cost wise
13:17 < mipe> i mean is it worth it
13:17 < rxr> i would not use el-cheapo mainbaord RIAD ..
13:18 < rxr> i/o thruput is also only a tiny help - I estimate under 20% of the build time are i/o bound ...
13:18 < rxr> a amd64 is already quite fast - do not worry about the build time right now ...
13:18 < rxr> for a tiny discussion see this recent post:
13:18 < mnemoc> build on tempfs might be the best choice
13:19 < rxr> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/143
13:19 < rxr> hm - for direct links you don't get navigation :-(
13:19 < rxr> so use this url
13:19 < rxr> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel
13:20 < rxr> and scroll to "the Ultimate T2 Build Server" yourself ...
13:20 < rxr> e.g. this mail should be interesting:
13:20 < rxr> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/149
13:21 * rxr off to some freinds helping relocating ... - cu later
13:21 < mipe> thanks for the links
13:21 < mnemoc> cu rene
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14:01 < praenti> hi
14:09 < mnemoc> hi praenti
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17:12 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4827 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (config.in ooo.conf ooo.desc setup-use-bz2.patch):
17:12 < CIA-9> * update ooo-build (1.3.5.5 -> 1.3.6)
17:12 < CIA-9> and thus OOO (1.1.3_fix2 -> 1.1.3)
17:12 < CIA-9> * fix scripts and add patches so that the Ximian build scripts
17:12 < CIA-9> at least start unpacking the sources ...
18:36 < rxr> re
18:36 < rxr> damn puffed out now ..
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19:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4828 /trunk/package/base/tree/ (gcc34.patch tree.desc): * updated tree (1.4b3 -> 1.5.0)
19:05 < CIA-9> rene * r4829 /trunk/package/base/miscfiles/miscfiles.desc: * updated miscfiles (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
19:07 < CIA-9> rene * r4830 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/3.00pl1.patch.xpdf: * added xpdf 3.00pl1.patch - SECURITY
19:12 < CIA-9> rene * r4831 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: * updated file (4.07 -> 4.11)
19:25 < rxr> ok - me quickshowering and off for milk
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19:43 < CIA-9> rene * r4832 /trunk/package/ (graphic/blender/ multimedia/blender/): * moved graphic/blender into multimedia
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19:55 < Minto> moin
19:59 < rxr> moin minto
19:59 < Minto> Hi rxr, how was the weekend with your parents?
20:01 < rxr> oh - quite well ...
20:01 < rxr> I have not as much panic as mnemoc showed :-)
20:02 < rxr> how are you?
20:02 < Minto> I am fine thank you
20:02 < Minto> over here we just celebrated our 5th wedding anniversary
20:03 < rxr> oh! congratulations!
20:03 < Minto> thanx
20:04 < Minto> how is the search for a trouble ticketing system progressing?
20:06 < rxr> well - due to all the other work going on I have not even found a second to look at any ...
20:07 < Minto> It's a pity, I think gforge is pretty cool
20:07 < Minto> gforge is a fork form the time that sourceforge was still open source
20:08 < Minto> s/form/from
20:08 < rxr> ah - I visited the gforce site - it is based on the sourcefoge code base, isn't it?
20:08 < rxr> ah - yeah
20:09 < Minto> For T2 is would allow to have additional targets as separate projects.
20:09 < rxr> in this can it already has many negative points on my list - I really do not like working with the sourceforge site and have to use the debian source forge a-like and do not feel that comfortable with it ...
20:09 < rxr> the debian one is http://alioth.debian.org
20:10 < Minto> the debian site seems to be GForge as well.
20:11 < rxr> yes, just noticed that, too ...
20:11 < rxr> but I really have not much time for that right now
20:11 < Minto> okay
20:11 < rxr> feel free to discuss and compare them on the list or so - so other can contribute ideas and comments ...
20:12 < Minto> I will
20:13 < rxr> I have to use the debian site for working on SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy)
20:13 < rxr> and I really do not like the work flow and the interface ...
20:13 < Minto> Just another question, is it necessary to do a full rebuild of a target after an svn update?
20:14 < rxr> no - normally now
20:14 < rxr> not even
20:15 < rxr> only if intrusive changes have been done - like e.g. changing the kde or gnome pathes - like I did some days ago ..
20:15 < rxr> but this does not happen that often ...
20:15 < rxr> for compiler updates of course, too
20:15 < rxr> but nor for normal fixes or pkg updates ...
20:15 < Minto> I get the following message in creating 2nd filesystem (target is bootdisk):
20:15 < Minto> !> `- Not found in $package_map: grub
20:15 < rxr> yes
20:16 < rxr> this is a warning ...
20:16 < rxr> a note for some developer to add it ...
20:16 < rxr> but IIRC I already disabled grub for the bootdisk target ... are you at HEAD?
20:17 < Minto> I think so
20:17 < Minto> I also have the following message
20:17 < Minto> home/t2/trunk/misc/isomd5sum/md5.c:255: warning: statement with no effect
20:17 < Minto> a lot of times with differing line numbers.
20:18 < rxr> yes - the later is a known bug ...
20:18 < rxr> see the last post on the mailing list ...
20:18 < rxr> I hope to have some secs to analyze this tonight ...
20:19 < Minto> I am at revision 4832
20:20 < rxr> and you get the grub warning with that HEAD revision?
20:21 < Minto> seems like it
20:21 < Minto> the same for joe and libol
20:21 < rxr> yes know
20:21 < rxr> ok - I fix them when I'm at the diet problem
20:23 < Minto> OK
20:24 < Minto> for generic I get a chroot error while building tools ... tools.cross
20:24 < Minto> chroot: bin/bash: No such file or directory
20:27 < rxr> what are your build errors so far for the generic build?
20:29 < Minto> I had none before the chroot one
20:29 < Minto> also this time I am building without any optimizations.
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20:54 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53621
20:56 < daja77> nice
20:57 < rxr> Die Abspielpausen zwischen zwei Titeln liegen deutlich unter einer Sekunde.
20:57 < rxr> ^- uh? I expect not a single sample gap between two tracks ...
20:57 < rxr> stange ...
20:57 < rxr> hi daja77
20:57 < rxr> strange even ...
21:15 < rxr> ok - first mirror synced
21:15 < rxr> wrote 17193 bytes read 1749050147 bytes 24935.91 bytes/sec
21:15 < rxr> total size is 2654925828 speedup is 1.52
21:15 < rxr> daja77: how is your life?
21:16 < daja77> quite exciting
21:16 < daja77> i've been to berlin this weekend
21:16 < rxr> oh - nice
21:17 < daja77> join a UN ICT meeting at the german foreign office
21:18 < rxr> the what?
21:18 < daja77> united nations information and communication technology taskforce ...
21:18 < rxr> ah - how do you got to that - and what is your "job"?
21:19 < daja77> someone i know from the net asked me if i could be there for him, because he had to work that day
21:20 < daja77> my "job" was to speak about free software to the participants and get some contacts
21:20 < rxr> aha
21:21 < rxr> ok - mirror stuff working so far
21:21 < rxr> wrote 121 bytes read 6454389 bytes 48713.28 bytes/sec
21:21 < rxr> total size is 2661330894 speedup is 412.32
21:21 < daja77> quite nice discussing free software in development countries with a who representative ;)
21:24 < daja77> and for now i am still looking for a place to stay for the time of the c3
21:27 < valentin> daja77: i do not know yet if i am in Berlin all three days
21:28 < rxr> ah - that c3 - /me 'll not be there ...
21:28 < rxr> my plan is to see old friends again and such - real life and so on ...
21:29 < daja77> yeah heard of that ;)
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21:51 < CIA-9> rene * r4833 /trunk/package/audio/nas/nas.desc: * updated nas (1.6g -> 1.7) - old download file vanished ...,
21:57 < rxr> ok - tried again to get us on distrowatch ...
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22:33 < rxr> haha:
22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: Chris Hamilton
22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: unmaintained
22:33 < rxr> or another:
22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: unmaintained
22:33 < rxr> Maintainer: Theis Peter Hansen
22:34 < rxr> I would have used some more brain work to get those flags substituted a bit more inteligently ...
22:34 < rxr> ;-)
22:34 < rxr> clifford does not even know what he did himself
22:35 < rxr> on the package list html files he claims the buildtime is in seconds
22:35 < rxr> which of course it is not ...
22:35 < rxr> then ogg-vorbis would need 237 minutes to compile ...
22:35 < rxr> over three hours ...
22:35 < rxr> well well ..
22:36 < rxr> and all the bugs on the .net page are still not fixed - athough I begged him for months alaready when I was still at ROCK ...
22:38 < rxr> oh my - the bash .desc parser is so slow ...
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23:17 < CIA-9> rene * r4834 /trunk/package/alpha/aboot/aboot.desc: * some tiny aboot.desc textual tweaks
23:22 < CIA-9> rene * r4835 /trunk/package/alpha/aboot/aboot.desc: * some more aboot.desc redundant text removal
23:27 < CIA-9> rene * r4836 /trunk/package/archiver/bzip2/bzip2.desc:
23:27 < CIA-9> * updated bzip2 [U] tag - and removed the CV tag, since that trival
23:27 < CIA-9> cases should be automatically handled by the update checker
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23:46 < rxr> I'm working on getting a package matrix online:
23:46 < rxr> example: http://www.exactcode.de/t2/packages/dietlibc.html
23:46 < rxr> work in progress ...
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