--- Log opened Wed Sep 22 00:00:19 2004
00:27 < rxr> jsaw_: e.g. when I want threecoumn instead of twocolumn?
00:27 < rxr> or any other adaption in such a style? Maybe you have some tip I overlooked?
01:26 < jsaw_> rxr: multicol.sty,geometry.sty etal are your friends
01:27 < jsaw_> fancyheadings.sty or fancyhdr.sty (forgot which is newer)
01:27 < jsaw_> what else...
01:29 < jsaw_> well, there are so many helper packages, there's definitely something that fits your needs.
01:35 < mnemoc> :)
01:35 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc
01:35 < mnemoc> hi jsaw_
04:37 < jsaw_> rxr: [D] 2061106526 X11R6.8.1-src1.tar.gz http://www.freedesktop.org/~xorg/X11R6.8.1/src/m
04:38 < jsaw_> last "m" in line (xorg.desc)
04:38 < jsaw_> another thing that seems odd, from xorg.cache: [LOGS] 5-xorg.log 9-xfree86.log
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12:50 < rxr_> re
12:51 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:51 < rxr> the cache is just due to sed running on the files to get correct dependencies ...
12:52 < rxr> only the first .log got substituted due to no /g for sed ..
12:53 < rxr> desc fixed - thanks!
12:53 < rxr> strange that I did not noticed testing it ...
16:27 < mnemoc> moin
16:30 < rxr> mon mnemoc
16:31 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:32 < rxr> ho are you mnemoc ?
16:33 < mnemoc> i need 10 extra hours per day :\
16:33 < rxr> yeah! /me too!!!
16:33 < mnemoc> 24 is too short
16:34 < rxr> yes, it really is, god should have made up the univere rotate a bit slower ....
16:34 < mnemoc> yeah
16:35 < mnemoc> OT: how do distributions handle java restrictions when distributing openoffice and evolution for example?
16:35 < rxr> or our life last longer ...
16:35 < mnemoc> ibm-java can't be downloaded outside US :(
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: to live more doesn't solve the issue
16:35 < rxr> ? I downloaded it already from de ...
16:36 < rxr> evolution needs java?
16:36 < mnemoc> yep
16:36 < rxr> this is new ...
16:36 < mnemoc> oops
16:36 < mnemoc> i mean eclipse
16:36 < rxr> I heared OO can nowadays built wihtout java
16:36 < mnemoc> [[ $foo = e* ]]
16:36 < rxr> and some redhat guy hacked eclipse and gcj to built together ...
16:36 < mnemoc> gcj is enough?
16:37 < rxr> for OO I heared you can diable the java plugin crap - but this is just some 3rd pary talk ...
16:37 < rxr> the distributions seem to license java to ship it with the CDs ...
16:37 < rxr> at least they did the last time I checked ...
16:37 < mnemoc> is it full operative without java?
16:38 < rxr> or just download java at a place not labelled us-only ...
16:38 < rxr> I "heared" this java plugin crap of OO can be disabled - it would be functional except you would not be ablee to use Java plugins - who needs those anyway ...
16:38 < rxr> but I have not yet looked at the OO foobar ...
16:41 < mnemoc> eclipse patch at google or it was acepted upstream?
16:42 < rxr> I read about the eclipse hack at www.osnews.com I think
16:44 < mnemoc> another question: is gnome24->gnome28 trivial, easy or hard?
16:44 < rxr> well - I would erase the /opt/gnome* content and rebuild
16:44 < rxr> I guess building in a gnome installed system will mess some binaries up
16:45 < rxr> but it is mostly getting all the updates done and additional packages / build priorities right
16:45 < mnemoc> yes, but new deps or extra core packages?
16:45 < rxr> except a brain-dead patch for pango it was trical
16:45 < rxr> oum - some new core or better "desktop" platform packages - not that much IIRC
16:46 < rxr> just copy in the T2 stuff and add a quote "imported from T2 into personal tree" and you should be done
16:46 < rxr> I already handed out jsaw a password - you can get one, too - so would get full write access even
16:46 < rxr> aside that we soon open it up anyways *g*
16:47 < rxr> for gnome-28 only 4-5 new "add-on packages" are missing - and some obsolete to be deleted - but the core stuff build all well in my two nightly test builds on my cluster here ...
16:47 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:47 < mnemoc> can gimp be built without gtk14?
16:47 < rxr> big YES
16:48 < mnemoc> you are saving my day :p
16:48 < rxr> it is gtk+2.x for a long time now ...
16:48 < rxr> so you want to get access?
16:48 < mnemoc> sure :p
16:48 < mnemoc> i don't promise much work for the moment but i can start learning your new schema
17:02 < rxr> so - our Ogg Vorbis package got a lift, too - up at 1.1.0 now
17:04 < rxr> btw the new build system stuff just slowly starts, so no need to learn much new yet, you can use T2 as stable ROCK replacement ...
17:15 < rxr> yet another new package
19:13 < rxr> hm, cool a gcc-3.4.2 built spartc64 kernel is 2xxkB smaller then a 3.2.3 built one
19:13 < rxr> let's see if it does s.th. usefull ... ;-)
19:13 < rxr> useful even
19:16 < rxr> hm - cool, it even boots up ;-) - let's see if it survives a load test - /me hope the hard-lock behaviour of my previously built gcc-3.2 based binaries changes ...
19:22 < mnemoc> =)
19:56 < rxr> box still up ;-)
19:56 < rxr> I run ping in a loop in one terminal now - so I notice when it hangs again without listening to the hd noise or turning my head ;-)
19:57 < rxr> jsaw_: thanks for the multicol - works now ;-)
19:58 < rxr> (I should not run xmms on my only hardware audio stream - then I could use flite to speak to me when the box goes down ;-)
19:59 < mnemoc> rxr: do you _know_ scott wheeler?
19:59 < rxr> ... flite "Attention - your sparg froze again" ... ;-)
19:59 < mnemoc> hehe
19:59 < rxr> hm - no ?
19:59 < mnemoc> ok
19:59 < rxr> who is it?
20:00 < mnemoc> a 'famose' guy from kde which will talk here today
20:00 < mnemoc> http://www.kde.cl/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5
20:00 < rxr> I know some other german people from KDE ...
20:01 < rxr> interesting ;-)
20:01 < mnemoc> i wanted to know if he is really _someone_ there :D
20:04 < rxr> hm - I guess he is, claiming to work for SAP ...
20:05 < rxr> I meet with some of the team leaders - this does not mean I do know everyone there ... *g* - the team is just too large - and I do not develop @ kde - I'm just a user ....
20:05 < rxr> ah - he is the author of the TagLib ;-) - ok then I at least know some of his code ;-)
20:06 < mnemoc> :p
20:06 < mnemoc> what is SAP?
20:08 < rxr> erhm.
20:08 < rxr> a huge company - developed "the" enterprise financial whatever software ....
20:08 < rxr> *g*
20:08 < rxr> http://www.sap.com
20:09 < mnemoc> oh, that SAP
20:09 < mnemoc> i thought SAP LinuxLab was something like sap.linuxlabs.com
20:41 < rxr> so - I near the end of a cool Linux Magazin article preview bash, sed and latex hack ...
20:42 < rxr> it does transform the magazine tags used by the magazine into s.th. latex is able to render ...
20:44 < rxr> cool - thing. should start throwing my publication stuff into subversion or so - so I do not easily screw all the crack up again ...
20:44 < rxr> hm - sparc still up ;-)
21:13 < rxr> hm - sparc still up - /me waiting for the freeze ;-)
21:23 < mnemoc> no freeze yet?
21:23 < rxr> nope - but this does not say much
21:24 < rxr> the avg. is twice a day or so ...
21:24 < rxr> so if the box is up tomorrow around lunch it is a better sign
21:24 < mnemoc> it's not much :p
21:25 < rxr> not freezing?
21:25 < rxr> or not much uptime? *g*
21:27 < mnemoc> not much time to way for a new record :p
21:27 < mnemoc> wait*
21:27 < rxr> yep - it can just crunch the T2 sparc64 build a bit further until then ;-)
21:27 < mnemoc> :p
21:28 < rxr> maybe the box just wants attention and likes to be pinged ;-)
21:29 < rxr> so some rock-solid IBM machine can ping the sad SUN the wohle day ...
21:30 < rxr> ok - the next new t2 package is on the way to be polished && tested ...
21:32 < rxr> david s. millers response to my private mail is not that informative as I hoped ... *sigh*
21:33 < rxr> so if the box freezes the next time I deflate a debian pre-build kernel and if that freezes, too complain at linux-kernel or decide it must be a hardware problem ...
21:34 < rxr> but I'm rather surpriced to find a gcc-3.4.x built 2.6 kernel run so long at all - I would have thought it would have more problems on the fragile sparc64 bit stuff ...
21:36 < mnemoc> do you thing they plan to get libstdc++ away from gcc some day?
21:42 < rxr> oh - in the past it was IIRC ...
21:42 < rxr> should not be that hard to split it into two seperate package in T2 ...
21:43 < rxr> in ROCK neither - just that I would not send a pkgfork complexity patch in for that ...
21:43 < rxr> do you highly demand it soon? I could work on such a beast in T":
21:43 < rxr> T2 even:
21:43 < rxr> gcc-c
21:43 < rxr> gcc-c++
21:43 < rxr> gcc-java
21:43 < rxr> gcc-libstdc++
21:43 < rxr> ...
21:48 < mnemoc> oh
21:52 < rxr> ?
21:53 < mnemoc> big split
21:53 < mnemoc> do you split it after build or one build per part?
21:53 < rxr> I have not yet split it ...
21:54 < rxr> but I would split it into really seperated packages and just build the parts requested - to save compile time when you only really want one ...
21:54 < rxr> I'm not a fan of the ROCK pkgsplit and -fork stuff ...
21:57 < rxr> http://www.cptech.org/ip/wipo/genevadeclaration.html
21:58 < rxr> sparc box still running - I must admit it managed to freeze sooner with gcc-3.2 built kernels - the 3.4 one is already running quite well ...
21:58 * rxr is currently happy about every minute ...
21:58 < mnemoc> =)
21:59 < mnemoc> OT: what is/was newlib?
22:02 < rxr> IIRC an alternative C library implementation, some stripped down glibc or so ...
22:03 < rxr> IIRC it might even be commercial and then bought by redhat or so ... - but I never looked that deep into it ...
22:04 < mnemoc> aha
22:06 < rxr> cool - T2 build on the sundown progresses further ;-) gcc just rebuilt itself, incl. the C++ parts ... and all the other stuff that failed due to broken dependencies now builds fine - yeah ...
22:07 < rxr> sundown == my freezing sparc64 box ....
22:12 < rxr> wow - onl crap on tv - so I have to watch some old video from my raid5 device during lunch, ...
22:12 < mnemoc> =)
23:09 < rxr> hm ;-) box still living ;-)
23:50 < rxr> cool
23:50 < rxr> == 09/23/04 23:44:36 =[5]=> Finished building package alliance.
--- Log closed Thu Sep 23 00:00:33 2004